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  •  yes, i said writing wasnt included (0+ / 0-)

    see table Total Group Mean SAT Scores of this newest report

    http://professionals.collegeboard.com/...

    since 1972

    and writing is the section girls do score better. . .and trhe section virtually no one counts

    •  the reading scores (0+ / 0-)

      typically only differ by a few points. 1972, for example-- the earliest date for which stats are given, has only a difference of two points. That's less than a percent difference.

      "We can have concentrated wealth in the hands of a few or we can have democracy, but we can't have both."-- Justice Louis Brandeis

      by ubertar on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 04:57:01 PM PDT

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    •  I'd be curious to see median scores (0+ / 0-)

      and not just the mean. Males typically have more exceptional scores on both the high and low end, while females have a denser distribution clustered around the middle. Since the SAT is not mandatory, many of those who would have likely scored on the extreme low side may have opted out, skewing the male results higher. Just a hypothesis, but I think it makes sense. A lower median score for males versus the mean, more in line with female results, would support that idea.

      "We can have concentrated wealth in the hands of a few or we can have democracy, but we can't have both."-- Justice Louis Brandeis

      by ubertar on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 05:06:34 PM PDT

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      •  the gender patterns are tied to income (0+ / 0-)

        the College Board has stopped displaying data that shows this, but in 2005 there was an interesting pattern of high poverty clustering with females, thus skewing the gender numbers

        leading to an interesting consideration of why the poverty difference between males and females

        •  Wow. I don't get that at all. (0+ / 0-)

          Why would families with daughters have lower income than those with sons? It's not as though we were still in an agricultural-based economy. Makes no sense to me.

          "We can have concentrated wealth in the hands of a few or we can have democracy, but we can't have both."-- Justice Louis Brandeis

          by ubertar on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 04:40:58 AM PDT

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          •  my guess (1+ / 0-)
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            I think it likely that some cultural patterns exist that support low-income females seeking to take the SAT and go to college while the male population self-selects, with the upper-income males being predisposed to take SAT and seek college. . .or more likely, the low-income males simply see education as a hurdle or not of value. . .

            •  ok, so that ties in with what I was saying above. (0+ / 0-)

              But while I think income plays a strong part, I don't think it's the only factor in gender differences on the SAT.

              "We can have concentrated wealth in the hands of a few or we can have democracy, but we can't have both."-- Justice Louis Brandeis

              by ubertar on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 05:42:47 AM PDT

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              •  as i posted above (0+ / 0-)

                It is the WAY content is tested also. . .inherent gender bias in the testing:

                Spelke, E. S. (2005, December). Sex differences in intrinsic aptitude for mathematics and science? American Psychologist, 60(9), 950-958.

                •  Since I don't have access to the study you cite, (0+ / 0-)

                  can you sum up their evidence for testing bias? That males do better than females on the tests is not in itself evidence of bias. Has there been any attempt by the test-makers to change the tests to remove or lessen the bias? Or is the argument that testing itself is inherently biased? Thank you.

                  "We can have concentrated wealth in the hands of a few or we can have democracy, but we can't have both."-- Justice Louis Brandeis

                  by ubertar on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 09:50:02 AM PDT

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