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  •  long enough to realize that.... (1+ / 0-)
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    .... Mennonites have been a highly progressive force at various times in our history, and in no way are part of the monolithic religious right.

    If they, as absolute pacifists (a position I used to hold but no longer do) want to extend the consistency of their pacifism so far as to avoid singing the National Anthem, that's their right; they can sing America the Beautiful or whatever they choose or nothing at all.  A quantity of absolute pacifists is necessary in the overall cultural ecosystem in any society, in order to temper the willingness to go to war.  

    It's not the same thing as injecting religion into public policy for example through the inclusion of "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance: the exercise of the extreme religious right in its perennial quest for theocracy.  Meanwhile we can always simply take a breath during the phrase in question, and when enough of us do that at the same time, the drop in audio volume in a crowd during that moment will be noteworthy.

    •  My opening line explained (1+ / 0-)
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      that I've been hearing this "refuse to sing" meme from the entire religious right.  I just used the story as an example of one particular religious person since it appeared in today's news.

      Forgive me if I lump all religious zealots under the same DSMIVTR diagnosis for delusional.

      •  Please provide evidence... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...for this assertion.

        My opening line explained that I've been hearing this "refuse to sing" meme from the entire religious right.

        The link in that sentence went to another Mennonite.

        Mennonites ≠ the Religious Right, in any way, shape, or form.

        Where are your examples from the Religious Right of their "refusing to sing" the Star-Spangled Banner because of its martial origins?

      •  I flatly don't believe this! (1+ / 0-)
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        Jehovah's Witnesses, Mennonites, and the other "peace churches," perhaps, but they're HARDLY members of the Religious Right.  I have NEVER heard of ANY members of the so-called Religious Right who refuse to sing the Star Spangled Banner.  Generally, they like to do it combined with the Lord's Prayer, which some of us regard as bordering on blasphemous.

        But your last paragraph amply demonstrates that you are so overflowing with contempt toward ALL people of faith that you see no need to distinguish between them.  Just call them whatever pejorative things you feel like, because they deserve them all -- that seems to be your attitude.

        I hope you realize that when you do that, you're doing pretty much the same thing as people on the right do when they insist that President Obama is a communist Muslim or some such nonsense.  The fact that YOU don't like somebody doesn't mean that they're whatever negative description you can dream up.

        PROUD to be a Democrat!

        by leevank on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 02:39:13 PM PDT

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    •  Arguably, if we made America the Beautiful our (3+ / 0-)
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      anthem, we'd all be better off.

      Not singing a bar tune.
      Not espousing martial spirit.
      Not destroying a soloist's throat with that insane scale variance.

      LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 10:18:46 AM PDT

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