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  •  Don't like that idea either (6+ / 0-)

    She is the liberal who is only willing to be as liberal as she can be in her district. Which means she stunk as a Congresswoman, but makes an excellent Senator (I admit, I had BIG concerns at times about that). As soon as she became the President, she'd be back to having to please the South too, and that would be the end of liberal Gillibrand, I think.

    But I'd be willing to hear her case, unlike Cuomo's. I don't like the idea now but I could be brought around to it.

    •  Jesus, what do you expect? (4+ / 0-)
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      Isn't that was a congress person does -- represent their district?  How the hell was she supposed to govern?  

      •  not by selling out her district (0+ / 0-)
      •  So why doesn't same apply to Cuomo (1+ / 0-)
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        You can't have it both ways. Cuomo's doing the same thing, appealing to his constituents in order to be popular. It isn't right, but why does Gillibrand get the pass and not Cuomo?

        •  Is New York a rightwing state? (2+ / 0-)
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          Didn't think so.

          I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

          by Nulwee on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 08:24:01 AM PDT

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          •  Cuomo isn't a right winger (1+ / 0-)
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            Sorry, he's just not. He's a bit right of center economically, but not a right winger. And large swaths of NY state are very conservative. The only reason Dems even win is because of NYC.

            •  Yeah, the only reason Dems even win in NYC (1+ / 0-)
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              is because of 9 million people on Manhattan and millions more in the urban area.

              Just like the reason why Dems win in Oregon is because of 1.5 million people in the Portland metro area. In other words, your example is completely irrelevant.

              I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

              by Nulwee on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 08:49:57 AM PDT

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              •  So irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
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                That the Dems haven't won a mayor's race since 1989? So irrelevant that Pataki won three terms? So irrelevant that the GOP controls the state senate and has for most of the past 30 years? That the kind of irrelevance you are talking about?

                •  Democrats historically control (3+ / 0-)

                  the Oklahoma and Kentucky state governments. Point?

                  I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

                  by Nulwee on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 09:31:06 AM PDT

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                •  Heard of gerrymandering? (0+ / 0-)

                  That accounts for the State Senate.

                  Pataki was actually an old-school Republican, pretty much; economic policy included Family Health Plus and social policy included repealing part of the Rockefeller Drug Laws.

                  Andrew Cuomo is to the right of Pataki.  This is not a good thing.

                  Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

                  by neroden on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 06:50:00 PM PDT

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              •  Umm. 8.1 million in NYC (0+ / 0-)

                and 1.5 in Manhattan.
                Link.

                One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision -- Bertrand Russell

                by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 02:44:53 AM PDT

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            •  Cuomo is very much a right winger economically (0+ / 0-)

              And NYS is very left-wing by national standards.  Even our hardcore crazy right-wing areas are left-wing by Texas or Idaho standards.

              Look at a political map some time.  NYC is blue, yeah, but so are Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Binghamton, Ithaca (of course), Auburn (!!), and the North Country (!!!!!).  The red areas aren't that red, either.

              It's been masked by massive gerrymandering.

              Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

              by neroden on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 06:48:16 PM PDT

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    •  She makes an excellent Senator... (5+ / 0-)

      so long as she's still a newbie and prone to attracting primary challengers.
      Why not hold out support for a real leader, someone who has fought for his or her convictions and shown a willingness to shape the debate.

      Cuomo?
      Gillibrand?
      So depressin'..

      “Sometimes, the most reasonable thing in the legislative process is to be unreasonable.” Mike Pence, R-Ind., on negotiating with the democrats.

      by dclawyer06 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 06:03:33 AM PDT

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    •  Gillibrand did not stink (9+ / 0-)

      as a Congresswoman.

      Her ratings from AFL-CIO, ACLU, League of Women Voters, League of Conservation Voters, etc., were generally in the 90s.

      Her ratings from the Christian Coalition, American Conservative Union, Club for Growth, etc., were 0 or close to it.

      A public option for health insurance is a national priority.

      by devtob on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 06:40:22 AM PDT

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    •  FFS, isn't this the same excuse (2+ / 0-)
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      that our current president is given?

      "I believe that marriage is between a man and woman and I am not in favor of gay marriage..." and, also: "Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix." ~ barack obama

      by liberaldemdave on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 08:11:05 AM PDT

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