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  •  DAMN IT!!! IRRESPONSIBLE..... (9+ / 0-)

    First, the nuke is designed to withstand exactly this sort of flooding.  Not a good thing to happen today, but this is not a crisis.  The Alert level has not changed;  if it does, then we deal with what we deal with at that point.  I work 14 miles from the site, and get alerts quickly ...  SO DAMN IT unsubstantiated rumors only hurt the cause.  

    And about the Gavin's Point Dam being charged to blow...   GET A F'n GRIP!!!!   No way will that happen..   Logic:  what possibly would it help?  NOTHING.  N O T H I N G!!!  The last thing anyone wants is for the Dam to go, and if it were removed suddenly, there would be nothing good gained.  

    SUpporting this crap and continuing stupid rumors can only confuse and hurt folks.  

    Yes, I am pissed.

    •  wrong (5+ / 0-)

      first if it was build to withstand this type of flooding, why the need for all the inflatable and emergency berms?

      Second, the inflatable berm did burst sending 2 feet a water into various buildings.

      If you arent concerned, you are not paying attention.

      Bad is never good until worse happens

      by dark daze on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 05:37:02 PM PDT

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      •  I am paying attention at least as closely as you a (6+ / 0-)

        are.. and maybe more so.  Those buildings affected are not threatening the nuclear core operations.  AND..   to add to it all, if you want a double nuke disaster then go through with the part 2 of this all ...  blowing Gavin's Point.  How dare you tell me I am not paying attention.  Do you REALLY know what you are talking about?   I think not.

        Obviously the situation is very concerning..  but we dont need understandably frightened people panicked by half truths and supposition.

        •  I think you underestimate peoples' ability to deal (2+ / 0-)
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          with facts on the ground.

          OPPD NCR TheCorps have left too many holes in their "assurances" which, imo, causes more panic that solid

          Here is the worst case scenario straight talk would cause.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 07:19:59 PM PDT

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          •  I see people unnecessarily frightened (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, there are concern.    But irrational fears that are stoked with more irrationality (i.e., the reactor was flooded...  [it wasnt..  backup generators kicked in and are circulating water]) and also, the REACTOR wasnt flooded, two buildings that contain primary power sources that are now back supported by the back ups are.

            •  dude (0+ / 0-)

              you are the one setting up strawmen,  Frightened  bad,  concerned good.

              Seems to me,the only person really frightened here is you.

              Bad is never good until worse happens

              by dark daze on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 08:58:55 AM PDT

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              •  please ... (1+ / 0-)
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                Why should I even try..   Fear is a funny thing, it blocks the ability to think rationally.   Is there appropriate fear here?   some yes..    obviously..  I am neither a proponent nor a opponent of nuclear power.  I am just saying that I am sick of unintentional fear mongering that grows from collected rumors and half truths.  I saw and took pictures of  Fort Calhoun from the air today about a half mile east, and yes, there is a lot of water.   But that is it.   Please dont dude me.   You don't know me, and I am pretty well informed on the subject..    

          •  There is no justification for that statement. (0+ / 0-)

            It is bull.

            Public works in democracies tend to become hyper-safe with time. The regulated industries such as power plants are the best at what they do, better than any unregulated for-profit operations of similar scale.

            Asserting that Omaha Public Power District is incompetent is simply despicable.

            These professionals know what they are doing and this War on Error character does not.

            Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

            by vets74 on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 06:05:40 AM PDT

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    •  "Hurt the cause"? (6+ / 0-)

      What cause would that be?  More money for GE, Bechtel and Halliburton building more nuclear reactors?

      "Tu vida es ahora" ~graffiti in Madrid's Puerta del Sol, May, 2011.

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 05:59:27 PM PDT

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    •  I here your ire, but don't shoot the messenger (4+ / 0-)

      From the New York Times yesterday:

      Pictures of the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant north of Omaha, Neb., show it encircled by the swollen waters of the Missouri River, which reached a height of nearly 1,007 feet above sea level at the plant yesterday.

      snip

      The commission's Region IV office in Arlington, Texas, issued a notice of violation against the plant on Oct. 6 last year, finding that the issues were of "substantial importance" to the plant's safety.

      OPPD challenged the NRC's inspectors' conclusions in a series of conferences before bowing to the commission staff's demands and agreeing to install the additional defenses this year. The AquaDam water berm was installed beginning June 4.

      snip

      A still-unresolved issue in the dispute is the NRC's contention that OPPD received, but did not properly act on, a warning by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in 2003. It said high-water threats to the plant should be raised by 3 feet based on a new assessment following severe Missouri River floods in the mid-1990s. "The performance deficiency existed for many years," the NRC said in an Oct. 6, 2010, letter to the Omaha utility.

      So based on the facts on the ....water, if I were living near Calhoun, I'd be really, really pissed at OPPD.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 06:11:50 PM PDT

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    •  That's how investors make stock prices (1+ / 0-)
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      dip.

      Get bogus rumors published. Get bogus rumors mirrored by copy cats.

      Clean up.

      These anti-nuke diaries have been lying their asses off since March 11th. One after another.

      Btw: the most irresponsible ones have maintained that pregnant women in Tokyo are at risk from Fukushima.

      Fact: the background radiation there is actually lower than before the FNPP disaster. Local companies are being more careful with their low-level waste materials.

      Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

      by vets74 on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 06:12:47 PM PDT

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      •  I don't trust the blue colored cool aid (1+ / 0-)
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        Blue food dye used to be banned.  Then, voila, it's not banned and the kids all eat, even prefer, blue colored crappy frankenstein foods.

        Go figure.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 07:22:01 PM PDT

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      •  Getting the Japanese government to pay (3+ / 0-)
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        for the damages your company caused helps a stock too, doesn't it? No conspiracy theory needed.

        http://www.asianews.it/...

        The cabinet decision sent Tepco shares soaring, up 18.59 per cent in Tokyo trade. For investors, the decision means that the company, which hitherto tittered on the brink of collapse, would be protected by the government.


        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 08:05:31 PM PDT

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    •  thanks for injecting some reason (1+ / 0-)
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      .

      Faby-o, downrec me again. You know I love it!

      by Cheez Whiz on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 06:27:00 PM PDT

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    •  The NRC said Ft Calhoun is NOT designed to (5+ / 0-)

      withstand that sort of thing, and they said so in public and in writing just last October.

      8 Oct [2010] (NucNet): The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has issued a “violation of substantial safety significance” because of inadequacies in the flood protection strategy at the single-unit Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant in the state of Nebraska.

      NRC officials identified a violation of regulatory requirements during an inspection at the plant earlier this year. Inspectors reported that the plant’s flood protection strategy may not have been fully effective during “worst-case” flooding of the Missouri River.

      It's pretty obvious that if the plan is inadequate, the design is inadequate, else "adequacy" would not be an issue.

      And does last October's definition of "worst-case" match this current situation, which seems to be historic?

      As to the dam blowing up, yeah, that's just crazy talk.

      Nonetheless, nature threatens the dams, and nobody is saying otherwise. So the "dam" factor in Ft Calhoun and Cooper are not irrelevant.


      Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

      by Jim P on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 06:45:23 PM PDT

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      •  there are solutions but they are working HARD! (6+ / 0-)

        Here's the thing. I live in Nebraska and have been watching this situation since the beginning at the plants. We even got to interview a guy who worked at the Fort Calhoun plant. There are BIG problems coming down the "pike" so to speak. We are not in immediate danger of a nuclear catastrophe...However, we are in a place in which mistakes could be very important. Where lies begin to count, and where they are working fast and furious to stay ahead of a problem.

        Big problems ahead:

        1) There is more and more water coming. We aren't done with the flooding. There is still snow melt in Montana, and the rainy season has begun for the midwest. Top it off that this is a la ninia season which means more rainfall than average. Another thing we aren't talking about...but I have a question about is how that huge body of water, double the size of the river before, is affecting moisture levels in the air.  Can this increase thunder storm chances or the moisture they carry?

        2) Fort peck is the top dam, it's in the spillway which means it cannot control the flows of water at this time. When you analyze each of the dams below you find that they are all very close to spill way...there is very little room for more water...once each of the remaining dams is unable to control the flood water...it's not that they are going to break but that there will be no control over the water. We are not that far from this happening with more water coming.

        3) energy crises. Omaha has 5 plants. Three are coal and two are nuclear. Two of the three coal plants have flooded. employees can't get to them, they are surrounded by water. That's why the Cooper nuclear plant is producing energy despite the floods. The coal plants each have a two month reserve. The flood waters are expected to remain into August at the very least and much more likey beyond that. If Brownville (cooper) cannot produce electricity, then this leaves one plant to fuel the Omaha area. With winter coming. We are three inches 899 ft, at Brownville, with the plant saying it will shut down if flood stage reaches 903. We are very close to this with MORE WATER COMING.

        We have big worries ahead. Nuclear power failure is taking a huge amount of attention...as it should. And trust me they are working very hard around that plant. It's not like a "yawn"...it's furious. But there is an energy crises coming for the Omaha area and I would imagine this is happening all along the Missouri.

        •  wavpeac, (2+ / 0-)
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          thanks for the knowledgeable comment. I have a very dear conservative friend who is an Omaha native. Her mom and old close pals still live there. We live in east central FL. I'm deciding whether to call her or not.

          As far as nuclear energy goes, I, a NASA brat, have always opposed it. Why? We still don't have a fail safe plan developed to rid ourselves of the highly toxic waste. We've got a nuke plant down south at Turkey Point. It's built near the water sources of the Intercoastal Waterway & the Atlantic Ocean. Hurricane season (like now) is always "fun" times for us. Don't get me started about climate change....GRRRRRRR......

          I will be checking back today for updates. T and R, war on words!

          Since when have greed, stupidity, and downright lying become virtues? Since Reagan, that's when!

          by orlbucfan on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 06:39:40 AM PDT

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        •  Uh-oh. (1+ / 0-)
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          What's supplying the emergency power to the nuclear plants?....

          Sounds like Omaha will have its power cut.  But the nuclear plants need outside power to remain cool....

          Emergency long-distance power lines from Nebraska?!?

          Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

          by neroden on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 07:59:16 AM PDT

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        •  Great info! Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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          Will you provide links so I can bookmark?  Thanks.

          This background you have provided, with links to back it up, provides the public with a much better assessment of the risks.

          If there is no power, then both Calhoun and Cooper will be at risk?  That is the question your facts rise in my mind.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 09:32:50 AM PDT

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          •  I cannot find a single story on the coal plants. (0+ / 0-)

            I know they are closed per interviews employees. They say they have been sent home. That the plant is going to use it's 2 month stash and is not producing. I will look for an article about our applying for federal aid. It stated that the reason we were asking for so much money had to do with the upcoming winter months and that we may have an energy crises ahead. I have not been able to find that article. Honestly, I do think that there is some manipulating of the media. The biggest message is that everything is fine, no problems, we got it all covered. This may be true...but I can't find proof of that other than their word, and I can't find proof otherwise. I will do some searching for links. I knew when I wrote it I needed to link it...but I have been searching for the stories and can't find them now.

      •  That's when they justified lengthening anti-swirl (0+ / 0-)

        berms.

        1200-feet of extra berm ain't cheap.

        Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

        by vets74 on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 06:08:52 AM PDT

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    •  It wasn't the NRC who told you that. (4+ / 0-)

      That's not what they told Ft Calhoun's operators just last October.

      http://www.worldnuclear.org/...

      8 Oct (NucNet): The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has issued a “violation of substantial safety significance” because of inadequacies in the flood protection strategy at the single-unit Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant in the state of Nebraska.

      NRC officials identified a violation of regulatory requirements during an inspection at the plant earlier this year. Inspectors reported that the plant’s flood protection strategy may not have been fully effective during “worst-case” flooding of the Missouri River.

      The plant’s strategy called for workers to install floodgates in front of doors of the plant’s auxiliary building and intake structure and pile sandbags on them. The NRC said the plant’s licensee, its owner and operator Omaha Public Power District (OPPD), had a stockpile of empty sandbags on site, but not enough sand to fill them. A statement added: “In addition, their strategy for buttressing floodgates may not have been effective.”

      Obviously, if the plant's intrinsic design was adequate for a major flood, there would be no issue about their flood protection strategy, which was found to be inadequate. Just as obviously, the berms were part of the response to make the protection adequate.

      Hopefully, the rest of what they did will work. But the original design didn't measure up, and the berms failed.


      Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

      by Jim P on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 07:59:24 PM PDT

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