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  •  Speaking just for myself (12+ / 0-)

    I have a real problem remaining dispassionate when it comes to tolerance of or propagation of Holocaust denial. Nobody here would even dare quote David Duke, Rense or for that matter Stormfront. But when there are a few Jews involved, as on Mondofront, it becomes acceptable?

    The problem with that, aside from the obvious, is the logical fallacy that Jews ipso facto can't be antisemitic. That's nonsense; of course they can. There are homophobic gays and misogynistic women. That's like saying that Phyllis Schlafly should be considered a legitimate source here on matters relating to feminist issues.

    Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

    by MBNYC on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 12:54:41 PM PDT

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    •  Well that is definitely right (8+ / 0-)

      Just because a few Jews say something is not anti-Semitic when the community overwhelming endorses that it is, does not negate that something is anti-Semitic.

      Schaffly is a great example of something like this. Or someone like Herman Cain or Alan Keyes in the African American community. There are a few people who for whatever reason relate to or accept the prejudices of their oppressors as legitimate.

      This is the case at MondoFront, where Phil Weiss and Co. buy into meme's of the anti-Semitic community because of some feeling of guilt over Zionism and Israel. They buy into the anti-Semites description of Jews.

      It happens.

      DK4: For those times when pissing in the hummus isn't enough

      by volleyboy1 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 01:04:18 PM PDT

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    •  The difference is that the proposal to (1+ / 0-)
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      put Mondoweiss off-limits on dKos is directed toward a collective. Blankfort? Pretty awful stuff, from what I've seen linked here. So then propose a list of authors / contributors whose antisemitism should disqualify them as individuals, and that list can be subject to discussion. A broadly-sweeping, guilt-by-association proposal to place all content from Mondoweiss off-limits simply doesn't sit well with me; not because I'm a regular reader of the site (as I said above, I rarely visit there), but because I have a fundamental problem with censuring a collective for the opinions of individuals. It's too general an indictment, and too ripe for abuse. Will it take more time and effort to identify individual authors and discuss them as individual cases? Of course. However, as I also said above, when proposing to limit 'speech' (understood here as limiting references to outside sites) I believe it better to err on the side of caution and admit more than less...

      Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

      by angry marmot on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 01:39:22 PM PDT

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    •  you're wrong there (9+ / 0-)
      Nobody here would even dare quote David Duke, Rense or for that matter Stormfront

      Rense has been quoted here:

      The user remains unbanned because he took out the Rense reference, apparently upon being warned.

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