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  •  Snicker if you want (0+ / 0-)

    But when people say chanting Khaybar means genocide and was told in no uncertain terms to condemn it immediately. So, I did because there is no justification for genocide. I was told this:

    Finally, if you do advocate against oppression, why do you give a pass to any minority when they chant for genocide, which is what Khaybar is.

    Then I found out the Battle of Khaybar set up this:

    Muhammad met with Ibn Abi al-Huqaiq, al-Katibah and al-Watih to discuss the terms of surrender. As part of the agreement, the Jews of Khaybar were to evacuate the area, and surrender their wealth. The Muslims, would cease warfare, and not hurt any of the Jews. After the agreement some Jews approached Muhammad, with a request to continue to cultivate their fine orchards, and remain in the oasis. In return, they would give one-half of their produce to the Muslims.

    Now I'm asked again to condemn immediately people who we're being allegedly anti-Semitic. I changed parties and political ideology over violent racism and anti-Semitism in the Republican party. I should be an easy sell. I trusted any black person that cried racism and any Jew that cried anti-Semitism because, hey, they should know.  But when things get overstated you lose people like me and now I fact check everything and check for context. Instead of being more careful you come and attack me. But, I'm a big boy and I really don't much care what you think of me anyway.  I take the abuse because I have a bigger concern than my widdle feelings being hurt. The problem is this is a site that should be a support for our President. The behavior I see here undermines his ability to try to thread the needle and craft a fair two-state solution for both the Israeli and Palestinian people. Believe it or not I share your goals. (I am skeptical of a two-state solution but that doesn't mean I oppose it.) Rather I just abhor your counter-productive tactics.

    •  The people who chant it... (0+ / 0-)

      know just what they mean.

      Why do they chant?  Why do they link it to Jerusalem?  Why do they say that Jews will meet the same fate?  For love?

      How sad that you try to rationalize their expressed hatred and their call for genocide!

      •  Apology to Volleyboy (1+ / 0-)
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        Brecht

        Citizen53 (and JonathanInTelaviv) is the source of much of the misinformation that soured me on Team Shalom. My quote above is from him/her. I apologize for conflating his comments with yours and falsely accused of lying. I'm sorry.

        •  Looking at how you choose to see things... (0+ / 0-)

          you were already predisposed.  Why not just cop to your bias rather than blaming others.

          You try to come off so smart, yet seem to lack a basic understanding.

          The proof is your interpretation of Khaybar.

          So why do they chant?  For love?  What do they want the Jews to remember?  How they are esteemed people of the book?

        •  what do you think it means... (5+ / 0-)

          that you have just again as so many others in the community.... implicated team shalom into disagreements with two posters who are neither members?

          "You can make a profound intellectual statement just by basing your efforts on silliness." -- Donald Roller Wilson

          by canadian gal on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 05:27:29 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, well just fyi neither citizen or Jonathan (5+ / 0-)

          are members of Team Shalom.

          DK4: For those times when pissing in the hummus isn't enough

          by volleyboy1 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 06:16:41 PM PDT

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          •  Canadian Gal Corrected My Error Upthread (1+ / 0-)
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            Brecht

            Thanks for the correction. The main reason I've appeared to take the "side" of the examples in the diary is I hate name calling and imputing motives. I especially hate it when I do it. As a rule I don't try to speculate why people say things. When I personally fail at this I try to quickly apologize especially if I -- as was in this case -- wrongly impute the words of one person to another. Since anti-Semite and racist are such emotionally loaded terms I prefer it to remain for the worst offenders so that they don't lose their meaning. That doesn't mean I don't strongly object to the content documented in the diary.

            I skip over what Blankfort posts because what he writes makes me cringe. I repudiate without reservation anyone who invokes the Christ killer crap. I highly recommend the documentary Constantine's Sword that shows Christian anti-Semitism greatly pre-dated the Third Reich. (It's also behind my thinking of combining the power of the state with any religion -- especially my own -- as the dumbest idea ever to come from the human mind because of the great evil it creates.)  As for Atzmon I think it was a bit unfair to impute his thinking because he interviewed Phil. I do find it greatly embarrassing that Atzmon was used for fundraising for the flotilla. Thank God almost no one showed up.

            http://adamholland.blogspot.com/...

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