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  •  Great Diary, But for an Advocacy Site... (2+ / 0-)
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    The Red Pen, avsp

    I still think DK is about as open and welcoming as it gets.  When I post heretical opinions in a way that respects the dignity of the person I'm arguing with, the worst that usually happens is I get ignored.

    I can't believe that the right wing extremist blogs like redstate and freerepublic still have any members, given the delight they take in getting rid of the impure.

    To arrive at what now you do not enjoy, you must go where you do not enjoy. To reach what you do not know, you must go where you do not know. To come into possession of what you do not have, you must go where now you have nothing." SJOtC

    by LHB on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 01:09:59 AM PDT

    •  DKos is great on some issues (3+ / 0-)
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      As I said, overall, DKos is good on gay rights and women's issues and a few others.

      Unfortunately, as important as those are, the #1 issue facing the country today is jobs, and addressing jobs is a populist issue, not a progressive issue.  If the progressives can't let the populists in the tent — at least for this election cycle — we could all lose.

      I can't believe that the right wing extremist blogs like redstate and freerepublic still have any members, given the delight they take in getting rid of the impure.
      Authoritarians are "clubby" people.  They love getting rid of the impure because it means that the remaining, including them, are the pure.

      It's like those "Christians" whose main source of joy seems to be contemplating the eternal suffering they believe is coming for everyone who isn't them.  Love takes courage and these people have none.  Thus, they love themselves by process of elimination; "I am not among the hated, I must be among the loved."

      Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

      by The Red Pen on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 05:23:10 AM PDT

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      •  Wait, what? (0+ / 0-)
        If the progressives can't let the populists in the tent — at least for this election cycle — we could all lose.

        The "centrist" repeatedly insists that "progressives don't have a consensus". So how in the hell can "progressives" be in charge of "letting others in" the tent?

        The problem, as I see it, is the demonization of those people who insist that "centrists" include "progressives" in the discussion. But that can't happen when you have posters like this:

        ...ready to tell you why you aren't welcome here and why you are not needed because you don't appear to support their cause in exactly the way they want you to.

        I see more self-identified "centrists" acting like this than I see progressives--more name-calling, more bullying, more marginalizing, more patronizing, more bogus HR'ing.

        The bigger takeaway I get overall is that this tent has just gotten too damned big to be effective. And if that is true, and remains true, then yes, we could all lose this cycle. But the fact of the matter is, we have got to deal with the size of this tent and the goals within it before we can be effective at anything.

        You can't have a broad swath of disaffected people in your tent, and still keep it together indefinitely. That's why you see a mass exodus of posters--centrists AND progs--drop out of here altogether. The pool's too damned big and nobody feels welcome in it anymore.
         

        REPEAL the Telecomm Act & REVIEW this decision. NO journalist should be fired because their boss can't have the truth told.

        by lunachickie on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 07:18:57 AM PDT

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        •  I'm confused by your confusion (2+ / 0-)
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          The problem, as I see it, is the demonization of those people who insist that "centrists" include "progressives" in the discussion.
          Where did "centrists" enter into the discussion?

          Certainly I'm not a centrist.  I'm a socialist and not afraid to say it.  That's not centrist.  I am however willing to work with people who aren't socialists if it moves the country in the right direction.

          You can't have a broad swath of disaffected people in your tent, and still keep it together indefinitely. That's why you see a mass exodus of posters--centrists AND progs--drop out of here altogether. The pool's too damned big and nobody feels welcome in it anymore.
          So... what then?  Drain the pool?  Put a fence around it?  Suggest we all go to the beach?

          You may be 100% correct, but how do you get from your observation to a stronger netroots?  Or can you?

          Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

          by The Red Pen on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 08:19:37 AM PDT

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