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  •  That is not the point where you cave (0+ / 0-)

    that is nothing more than kabuki...likely proposed by both sides....

    this isn't really up for debate for all of the reasons the President enunciated pretty well in that last answer.  But he then proceeds to give up the leverage by linking long term deficit reduction to the debt ceiling.

    The deed is indeed done.

    "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

    by justmy2 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 09:44:04 AM PDT

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    •  Your "caving," (11+ / 0-)

      is everyone else's "defaulting on the goddamn debt."  A deal with spending cuts is the least bad option, between a full-scale government shutdown on one hand (not issuing new debt) and staggering interest rates on the other (trying to issue new debt in the face of the ceiling).  The latter two are as bad or worse than that Great Depression, a deal is probably as bad as, like, the late 1970s, but a good election and we can undo the damage.

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 09:54:35 AM PDT

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      •  I am sorry...who demanded a clean bill? (0+ / 0-)

        Me or the President?

        I actually don't make threats I can't keep.  In English, that is caving.  Sorry to disappoint you.

        "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

        by justmy2 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 10:23:54 AM PDT

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        •  Long game (4+ / 0-)
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          he set up today's argument that the GOP is playing politics.  Precisely because he couldn't keep it, it was never a threat.  It's only a cave to the extent Obama lost something by making it  -- but was it?  Outside of the professional complainers who nevethereless disingenuously claim to be his base, public opinion is turning on the GOP, meaning they now have a political no win solution, and by playing the adult in the room (generally a good thing, in my view), the concessions would likely be less than what could have prevailed if Obama played along with political brinksmanship.  He dared the Republicans to lose the center by overreaching and sure enough, they did.  If the public thinks both sides are equally to blame, what's Obama's upside?  

          Tellingly, and you conspicuously ignore this, at no point did Obama offer them enough that they'd take the deal.  That would the the evidence that the "clean bill" maneouver was an empty threat.  

          You don't make threats you can't keep, just passive aggressively whine and complain.  So much more mature.

          "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

          by Loge on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 11:00:23 AM PDT

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          •  Again...while that may make you feel better (0+ / 0-)

            it isn't true...

            the reason the clean bill item went away, is because the house held a vote on it and it didn't pass.  So instead of pushing, they dumped that talking point.

            The reason the original demand was made was specifically to try to stay out of the situation they are in now.  A elongated debate about spending cuts instead of their agenda and jobs.  And the icing on the cake is that it could potentially eliminate their leverage on their best talking point, the Paul Ryan Medicare plan.

            So if your take was the actual plan, it was a piss poor one.

            "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

            by justmy2 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 11:42:38 AM PDT

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            •  does it make you feel better (0+ / 0-)

              to blame Obama for everything instead of acknowledging that the problems -- and politics of them -- are hard to deal with?

              You think Obama didn't know the House GOP wouldn't pass a clean bill at that time? Even if they did, they'd still propose spending cuts, no matter what the quid is for the quo.

               

              "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

              by Loge on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 11:49:04 AM PDT

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              •  well...the fact I don't (0+ / 0-)

                blame him for everything kind of ruins your point...but I don't...so the strawman fails...

                We are discussing a specific issue.  The President literally put his credibility on the line, months after demanding that bush tax cuts not be extended and caving, going on record again.

                The problem is that there are only so many demands that you can make before the other side starts to ignore you.  

                That is what is happening now.  Multiple sources have said the Republicans believe the WH will cave again.  That is because of precedent.  Without that precedent, the Administration's negotiation leverage would be much higher.  

                So, yes, public demands have consequences when you are President.  You should make them wisely.  This is just another case where he has not made a wise choice.  

                Those are the facts.  Truth hurts.  I would much prefer to be making the case that the decision the President is making are raising the chances of his relection.  When they don't I will say so.

                "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

                by justmy2 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 12:11:30 PM PDT

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    •  Extremists ultimately win concessions (0+ / 0-)

      That's D.C.  The Republicans are the extremists, so they will win concessions we don't like.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 10:05:30 AM PDT

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