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  •  That's a big "IF." (1+ / 0-)
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    What you're saying in essence is that the situation will become sufficiently outrageous as to provoke demands for reform.

    And that got us what, exactly, in the financial industry, after a near collapse of the economy and a de-facto 2nd great depression?

    The psychopaths at the top got their obscene "packages" in taxpayer dollars, and the voters sent more Republicans to Congress in 2010.  That's the definition of a dysfunctional relationship: staying with one's abusive partner.  

    Now take the influx of new $$ to the insurance industry, much of which from healthy people so therefore more profits to "invest" in elections: factor in Citizens United and the recent decision approving overt campaign contributions.  Outcome: keep the public confusled (neologism: confused + bamboozled) enough to keep the gravy train rolling over our proverbial dead bodies.  

    Each step down the present road becomes harder and harder to reverse, plus or minus a generalized social explosion at some point, that could as easily break for overt fascism.  

    •  you give up - i understand that. (0+ / 0-)

      But that doesn't mean that more than the current administration is willing to attempt can't be achieved.

      Alternately, if nothing can be done, all conversation is silly.  Feel free to stick that in your mechanism and operationalize it.

      It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

      by Murphoney on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 12:25:02 PM PDT

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      •  Excuse me? Give up? Are you stoned? (1+ / 0-)
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        This shit has made a socialist out of me.  As for giving up, over my dead body, and I put that one to the test a few years ago too.  

        Those bastards have us on the road to a banana republic; the major question is whether the endpoint is something on the spectrum of socialism or social democracy, or something on the spectrum of fascism.  And the subsidiary question is whether the outcome will be achieved peacefully or not.  

        •  If there is no power to command redress and (0+ / 0-)

          correction within the system, by your admission, I don't see where you would find the collective resolve for revolution, nor the hope that the wisdom could be found to ultimately be creative through the effort.

          It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

          by Murphoney on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 01:13:41 PM PDT

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          •  Emergent collective intelligence. (0+ / 0-)

            Individual cells in the body can't predict when the immune system is about to kick into high gear: the immune response is emergent and systemic.  

            There's a decent chance the Republicans have worn out their welcome with the public by taking their 2010 gains and going for sheer smash-and-grab looting on behalf of the plutocracy.  Ohio, Michigan, etc. etc.

            There's also a decent chance, per the "Obama is doing judo" diary, that he's playing them for all they're worth, until they're exhausted and their "invincible front" collapses.  

            So we may get "punctuated equilibrium" as we did on the gay rights front, where the end of DADT became a breakthrough for equal marriage.  In which case we may very well get the public option and progressive taxation.

            Bottom line operationally comes down to "more and better Democrats."  There is no excuse for sitting on the couch next year.  

            •  and so you provide the response to your own doubt. (1+ / 0-)
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              It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

              by Murphoney on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 01:58:08 PM PDT

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              •  Engineers are like scientists: (0+ / 0-)

                Trained to doubt our preferred hypotheses (Keatsian negative capability), to try alternative hypotheses, and to consider conflicting hypotheses.

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