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  •  Actually, this is wrong: (3+ / 0-)
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    dinotrac, Wham Bam, dgil
    the NLRB has made a ruling on it

    The NLRB doesn't "make a ruling on it."  That happens in a court.  The matter is now before an Administrative Law Judge in Seattle.   That case is just in the preliminary stages.  Yesterday, the judge refused to dismiss the case at this preliminary stage, which is a victory for the NLRB in the first battle.  But that's just the first battle in a long war.  And since the central dispute is over a legal issue, it will certainly be appealed.  

    The case continues next Wednesday, I think.  

    •  Wow. You have nothing but word games to play. (1+ / 0-)
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      Lefty Coaster

      I said "ruling." Even though you knew full well what I meant, you decided to go with that. Like "relocated." (P.S. Lots of people call it a "ruling.")

      Not that we've established the facts - WHY are you anti-union?

      •  Sigh. Look at the Complaint. (2+ / 0-)
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        Wham Bam, dgil

        Again, it's here.   It's a complaint.  A complaint is what a litigant writes and files to initiate a piece of litigation.  The NLRB made the decision to initiate this before an Administrative Law Judge.  

        Look at page 9.  That says that the NLRB is going to bring the matter for hearing before an Administrative Law Judge.  That Judge has not yet made a final ruling.  Yesterday, the Administrative Law Judge denied a preliminary motion to dismiss the matter. That means he is going to hear the matter.  That Administrative Law Judge will make a "ruling."  That ruling by the ALJ can then be appealed to a federal court.  Here's the NLRB's explanation of explanation of the process

        I understand that some used the word "ruling" loosely to describe the NLRB's action.  But right now, they are in the preliminary stages before the ALJ, and, as the Seattle Times link shows, the ALJ has just made a preliminary ruling, and has not issued a ruling on the merits of the case yet.  Actually, I'm really interested to see what happens to this one when it gets to the federal court -- that's the real ruling that counts.  

        •  You are a child. (1+ / 1-)
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          Lefty Coaster
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          Wham Bam

          the first time I asked you the question, I din't use the word "ruling." You ignored the question. Next time I used "ruling," and you focused on that and again ignored the question.

          You are a child, and a dim, painfully obvious one at that.

          •  Ok. Direct answer. Once again. (1+ / 0-)
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            Wham Bam

            I am not anti-union.

            I am not pro-union.

            I am not expressing any opinions as to whether unions are a good or bad thing.  I am not supporting unions.  I am not rejecting unions.  I am not expressing any value judgments as to unions either way.  

            I am simply saying that whether Boeing violated section 8 of the National Labor Relations Act is an issue that is, at this stage, not clear. That is not anti-union.  That is not pro-union. That is a description of the state of the law.  

            •  Your obvious games aside - why are you on DKos if (1+ / 0-)
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              Lefty Coaster

              you are not pro-union? There's obviously nothing stopping you, but this is a Democratic Party supporting website. And that makes it a union-supporting website. Why do you think you belong here? Are you even a Dem?

          •  HR for personal attacks on someone who is making (0+ / 0-)

            a better factual contribution to the discussion than you are.

          •  Stick to the issue (0+ / 0-)

            ad hominems accomplish nothing. SC aggressively goes after business and promotes being a RTW state early and often in talks with prospective businesses. Little, go ahead and demand answers, but leave the personal insults at the door.

            Does Boeing want to avoid unions by locating in SC? Yes. Does that mean they will move their entire company to SC? That depends on how the union shops in WA react. SC will be aggressively pursuing them to do just that.

      •  Actually he is explaining what is going on (0+ / 0-)

        accurately.

        You are making mistake after mistake and instead of admitting that you don't really know what is going on you are attacking him for correcting you.

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