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  •  Umm... (8+ / 0-)
    so they invented the communist threat,

    whatever the war profiteers did at the end of WWII inventing a threat from Communism was not one of them.
       The 4000 Polish officers shot in Katyn Forest by the Communists suffered more than an invented threat.
       The 100,000 Estonian citizens (10% of the population!) deported in 1 week 7000 miles to Siberia, with an 80% death rate suffered from more than invented threat.
         The millions who starved to death in the villages of China during Mao's "Great Leap Forward" at the end of the 1950's suffered from more than invented threat.
         A trial opened this week to try 4 last members of the Communist Khmer Rouge who put 3 million bodies (out of 8 million in the country) in the killing fields of Cambodia; those 3 million (whose "crimes" included wearing eyeglasses) were not the targets of an invented threat.

    Has the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned against exploited certain conditions for their own profit? Yes they have and yes they are still doing it.

    But please don't come with sweeping dismissals about the "invented threats" of Communism. As practiced in the 20th century (and, if you'd like to visit certain prisons in Cuba, certain "off limits to foreigners" areas of China, or almost anywhere in North Korea, the early 21st Century) Communism, those claiming adherence to Communism, those claiming to practice Communism or "prepare  the nation" for Communism, were far more than an "invented threat." The graves of the forgotten (if they were buried at all) say otherwise.


    "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

    by WineRev on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30:45 AM PDT

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    •  it was invented (0+ / 0-)

      the US and USSR agreed to start a phony cold war so each country could scare it's people and keep power.

    •  What Threat Were The Reds to U.S. SOIL??? (0+ / 0-)

      Look, if you agree that "U.S. interests" (commodities) are all over the globe and the slightest threat to those need to be addressed with the most expensive military in world histoy-- just say so. admit you are drinking the Kool Aid.

      But let's stop the bogus ness, OK? WE were the ones that threatened the Soviets first, ringing their nation with our military bases. when they attempted to do the same here in our hemisphere (The Bay of Pigs fiasco), we nearly had WW III. that was the one and only threat to U.S. soil and it was over decades ago.

      BTW, our bases are still in western Europe.

      I suppose you also believe the baloney, re: the Islamic extremist threat??

      gimme a break.

      "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

      by Superpole on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 07:25:49 PM PDT

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      •  I hope someday you come to (0+ / 0-)

        understand how callous that sounded.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 08:54:46 PM PDT

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      •  By the same logic (1+ / 0-)
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        what threat were the Nazis to US Soil?
        The Isolationists made this a stock argument right up to December 6, 1941. FDR was OBVIOUSLY trying to provoke a confrontation because he had been seduced by that rotten Imperialist Churchill. Couldn't we just let Europe "stew in its own juices"?

        By the same logic (there has to be a direct threat to a nation's soil) British Prime Minister Chamberlain had said a few years earlier regarding Czechoslovakia:

        "How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be digging trenches--- here because of a quarrel in a faraway country between people of whom we know nothing!"

            OF COURSE there was no British interest whatsoever of any kind in Czechoslovakia, therefore the very idea the British or French would have any interest in propping up that "faraway country" in its conflict with Germany would be absurd.
        After all, a totalitarian regime that despised democracy and stood for autocratic rule of the bloodiest kind was not threatening French soil, or British soil was it?
        The Shame of Munich, 1938, follows easily.

        On April 8, 1941 there was no threat to Danish soil from Germany, Sweden or anybody else. By sundown on April 9 Danish soil no longer existed, but it was a little late to be concerned about a threat to national sovereignty.

        And why would American politicians in 1945 and following start building overseas bases against a totalitarian regime that despised democracy and stood for autocratic rule of the bloodiest kind? Maybe they had seen the liquidation of the Polish rising. Perhaps the cancellation of free elections from Gdansk to Sofia had something to do with it. The attempt of the Red Army to go beyond the Allied stop line and occupy Denmark might have been noted.

        And then there were the refugees, those who had lived under Communist rule. Which way did they walk? Back to their homelands occupied or even absorbed (see the Baltic states) by Stalin's forces? Or West, ever west, seeking the British and American lines, willing to give up home, family, all possessions, walk until exhausted, walk until only crawling remained, just to get away?
        And that was just 1945, and not all of it either.

        Maybe the Western decision makers of 1945 learned that quarrels in faraway countries DO have impact here, and at the very least, deserve watching.

        To your other issues:
        Does the US have interests in many places? Yes.
        If those interests are foreign commodities, are they "ours", as the Cheney-Wacko Fascists assert? Of course not.
        Is the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against already in 1960 powerful, often self-perpetuating, and in great need of being dismantled and chopped down by at least 1/3 (and maybe 2/3)? You bet it is.

        Now, having said this, I will also go on record that the US bases in Western Europe and many other locations have served their purpose and should be closed, with the troops brought home.

        As far as the "Islamic threat" the Bushistas are FLAT, TOTALLY wrong, and withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq are badly overdue (with Iraq criminally unnecessary at all.) Listen among the Islamists of course, but handle it like the rational countries are doing these days: as a police, law enforcement issue, NOT a military issue. Any more than this ranks up there with the law banning Shari'a Law being imposed in Oklahoma: absurd overkill and completely farcical, if only those who enacted the bill didn't believe in it so fervently and blindly.

        The major threat we face now (apart from the ridiculous imbalance between military and civilian spending by the government) are the faceless, multi-national corporations who are bent on imposing a new form of fascism on the planet. In Fascism 2.0 (vs. its 1.0 predecessor in the 20th Century forms) the merger of governmental and corporate power is repeated, but this time the roles are reversed. Corporate power is the senior partner, calling the tune of the political figures. THIS is a clear and present danger, on and to this soil and to everyone's soil.
        I want this to remain American soil, not Monsanto Soil, North American Division.
        I want villages in the French Languedoc to remain French, not a division of Vin Francaise et Cie.
        I want a Russian department store manager to be able to take a weekend and eat blini and wash it down with a Stoli at HER dacha, not at Dachas R US, a Gazprom-Hilton-Fiat-Halliburton Joint Hospitality venture.

        I appreciate the remarks and would only add: Kool-aid comes in many flavors.


        "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

        by WineRev on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 10:00:26 PM PDT

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