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  •  I think it is both. (1+ / 0-)
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    Linda Wood

    I think it is poverty and I think we have bad schools.

    Do I actually have to chose a side?

    •  try this (1+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron

      (1) poverty, that's it

      (2) schools too often are failures BECAUSE of that poverty

      (3) schools also OFTEN fail us by perpetuating the inequities found in the larger society

      •  I think a much stronger case can be made (1+ / 0-)
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        angelajean

        that your statement,

        (2) schools too often are failures BECAUSE of that poverty

        is backwards. I think there is a more reasonable case to be made that people in this country are poor largely because their schools have failed them.

        Your third point,

        (3) schools also OFTEN fail us by perpetuating the inequities found in the larger society,

        is unspecific about how schools perpetuate those inequities. But one of the ways that have persisted for at least a century is the maintenance of a three-tiered educational system designed to keep poor people in their place. The privileged act to oppress labor in many ways, but a key way is to prevent children from reaching their potential to succeed, and public schools have been part of that oppressive system. We must change this.

        People have a right to a good education in this country. If it can happen in Scandinavia and raise the standard of living for everyone there, it can happen here.

        I agree with you about the corruption, I agree with you about the disingenuousness and falsity of the new so-called Reform movement and its phony leadership including mouthpieces like Brooks. You describe him so well. But this oppression of children, historically and currently, must end. Falsifying children's educational experiences for the benefit of a powerful elite is a crime. Far from calling for privatization, people like myself are calling for equal protection under the law.

        •  my (2) (2+ / 0-)
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          Dirtandiron, Sue Hagmeier

          There is no compelling evidence that education alone eradicates poverty; thus, I stand by my (2). . .

          My 29 years as an educator and research have taught me that lesson. I entered education as a social reconstructionist, but now realize that is an idealistic philosophy not suported by evidence. I stand with Martin Luther King Jr.:

          "We are likely to find that the problems of housing and education, instead of preceding the elimination of poverty, will themselves be affected if poverty is first abolished."

          http://www.wealthandwant.com/...

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