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  •  I don't know what that means (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Bush Bites, TofG

    they are certainly a centrist/moderate and not much of a left of center party. That'll be true until health reform gets actually implemented and not just enacted. it's too big a pill to swallow.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 05:08:10 AM PDT

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    •  The Monday morning quarterbacking... (1+ / 0-)
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      msmacgyver

      ...for this Administration will be interesting.

      Biden, Rahm and most of the rest wanted to concentrate on the economy first, then worry about HCR.

      Obama wanted HCR because most of our systemic fiscal problems are due to health care costs anyway.

      Will be interesting to see who was right when the history is written.

      Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 05:21:31 AM PDT

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    •  Kind of how I remember (2+ / 0-)
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      DemFromCT, LI Mike

      much of the Republican Party back in the 60's and 70's.

      My real point is that it looks like "we" caved in again.  Two things will solve the deficit . A stronger economythat will mean more tax revenues and getting rid of the Bush tax cuts. Seems to me that Obama's grabbing on to an issue that he thinks will help him get re-elected.  From what I read seems like he's just fine with cutting Medicaid and Medicare.  I think that stinks.

      •  I still wonder if we'd have to raise the limit.... (2+ / 0-)
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        ratcityreprobate, msmacgyver

        ....if the Prez had let the Bush cuts expire in the first place.

        If not, then not letting them expire was a hell of a tactical mistake -- hostages or no.

        Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

        by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 05:33:13 AM PDT

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        •  I suspect (2+ / 0-)
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          the GOP backed away from some deal they had.  A I'll give you the Bush tax cuts, you raise the debt ceiling.  The Bush tax cuts account for alot of the debt.  I know it's not very popular but frankly I hope ALL the Bush tax cuts expire.  If it means that the middle class gets hit so be it.  History has shown us that when taxes go up wages go up as well so I'm of a mind that the piddly tax cuts the middle class got weren't really work it in the grand scheme of things and teh cost to society when you look at all the tax cuts were far greater than any benefit we derived from them.  

          Let them ALL expire and cut our defense budget buy 20%.  Those two things alone will save us trillions upon trillions of dollars in the next 10 years.

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 06:17:32 AM PDT

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      •  The best way to address Medicare (2+ / 0-)
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        skohayes, JamieG from Md

        shortfalls is to pass legislation allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices with big pharma.    This won't solve all Medicare's problems, but if the attempts to cut health care costs laid out in the ACA can be implemented - not likely, considering that those attempts were not made mandatory by the legislation- another large cost saving can be realized.

        But first the Republicans have to be punished for trying to overturn the ACA so the Democrats can get on with serious cost-cutting measures, i.e., eventually implementing Medicare for all.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 06:27:50 AM PDT

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    •  How is "centrist" to cut Medicare... (0+ / 0-)

      ...let alone to do so in the midst of a recession?

      If Friedersdorf is right that...

      the Republican Party has failed to persuade the American people that the small government vision it claims to favor is the right way forward.

      ...then it's all the more remarkable that, with the Republicans in control of a single house of Congress, that vision is governing our country, despite the fact that Democrats control the White House and the Senate.

      Friedersdorf's description of the non-Teapartiers in the GOP as "establishment moderates" is also very telling.  There are, maybe, three GOP moderates left in the Senate (the two Maine Senators and perhaps Scott Brown, who's actually also a Teapartier).  All the rest of the non-Party crowd are, by any sensible standards, hardcore conservatives.

      How we got here is an interesting and very important question.

      In some ways, it's the old story of successfully moving the Overton Window.  Democrats may well agree to kill Medicare and slash Social Security before this is all over....but hey (they'll tell us) at least the US didn't default on its debts! Anything shy of blowing the country up has become "moderate" in this climate.

      But it's not just about the Overton Window.

      The Democrats have been on the path to losing this debate ever since they decided not to have a debate about the core principle: whether it makes any sense at all to cut the deficit in the midst of a sluggish economy.

      Once the Democrats accepted the essentially conservative premises of the GOP's economic plans, the die was cast.

      The Democrats are like the actress in the story variously told about both Winston Churchill and George Bernard Shaw.

      Asked by Churchill/Shaw at a dinner whether she would sleep with him for a million pounds, the actress laughed and said she'd certainly consider it.

      Churchill/Shaw replied: would you do it for ten pounds?

      The Actress: What kind of woman do you think I am?

      Churchill/Shaw: We've already established that. Now we're just haggling over price.

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