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    I may not agree with Perry politically. I may not like Perry as a person.  However, as a Texan, I resent you calling Perry a hick. He is emphatically NOT a hick.

    Hick ≠ Cowboy.
    Hillbilly ≠ Cowboy.
    Any other epithet which does not apply to Perry ≠ Cowboy.

    21, Nice Calm Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Childhood), TX-23 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

    by wwmiv on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 07:54:47 PM PDT

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      If you'd hear me talk, you'd think I was a hick too. The shtick is wearing thin, really. As much as a detest Perry's politics, calling him a hick is like calling all Texans hicks.

      I am not a hick. Perry is not a hick. Bush wasn't even a hick.

      21, Nice Calm Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Childhood), TX-23 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

      by wwmiv on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 07:57:10 PM PDT

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      •  Pick your own adjective, then (0+ / 0-)

        You've complained about every term I've used, the fact is he comes off as something along the lines of a hick/redneck/hillbilly or pick something else.  "Cowboy" alone doesn't cut it, that can be someone from Wyoming or Colorado and doesn't capture Perry's Bible Belt fundamentalism and typical Southern embrace of racist dog whistles.

        I've seen him on TV, he's an immediate "no way" for President for suburban swing voters outside the South.  Culturally they want a generic American.  Romney is that, Bachmann is closer to it than Perry in spite of being identically batshit crazy hard right, and Bush was closer to it than Perry because he came from a patrician Northern family and had his father's name, even if Dubya himself was a Texan with a Southern accent.

        By the way, I did some research on this in the midst of a twitter exchange with Nathan Gonzalez not too long ago, and the GOP has never nominated a Southerner except for Bush 41 and Bush 43...and Bush 41 wasn't really a Southerner, and Bush 43 was viable only because he had his father's name.  Obviously this in significant part comes from the South having been solidly Democratic for so many generations until Nixon picked the lock and Reagan soon after blew the door wide open.  But it's still striking that a party with an overwhelmingly Southern base has not produced a Southern Presidential nominee in all these recent decades.  There is a cultural barrier there that will affect Perry, and that doesn't affect Southern Democrats.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 08:23:43 PM PDT

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        •  Perry (4+ / 0-)
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          Is simply a rancher cowboy. He isn't a hick, a redneck, or a hillbilly. He isn't even a Southerner, so what you've said really doesn't apply to him (even though the appearance to the rest of America is that he's Southern by virtue of being Governor of a partially Southern state).

          Hick: An unsophisticated provincial person

          Perry is much more sophisticated than you give him credit for, though provincial does describe him quite well.

          Redneck: a white member of the Southern rural laboring class

          Perry is not Southern, nor of the laboring class. He's a Westerner (anything west of Fort Worth in Texas is Western, not Southern) and his family was rancher overlord material.

          Hillbilly: a person from a backwoods area.

          The panhandle is not backwoods.

          21, Nice Calm Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Childhood), TX-23 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

          by wwmiv on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 09:06:22 PM PDT

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          MichaelNY

          You are just plain wrong. Eisenhower was from Texas and was southern (He was from Denison).

          21, Nice Calm Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Childhood), TX-23 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

          by wwmiv on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:33:25 PM PDT

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          •  Eisenhower was from Kansas, not Texas (2+ / 0-)
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            He was born in Texas and his family left when he was 2, too young to have any memory at all.

            He grew up in Kansas.

            He's not "from" Texas anymore than my wife, who unequivocally says she is from Virginia, is "from" Tennessee for having been born in Nashville, or "from" Philadelphia for having lived there briefly as a toddler when her dad was in graduate school.

            43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 10:03:14 AM PDT

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