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  •  Yes. He said he didn't order the wine. (4+ / 0-)
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    I've been on business dinners where the other party ordered the wine for the table (and I've been on plenty where I was asked to order the wine). In no case was the price if the wine discussed. Everyone just ordered what they wanted to order.

    For all I know, $500 bottles of wine may have been ordered. I never order the most expensive bottles (unless the restaurant has a very inexpensive wine list and the cheaper stuff is just not very good). There is usually only one wine list per table, so it's not like everyone is privvy to the prices.

    I know of plenty of people who use business dinners as occasions to order the most expensive wines, the most expensive entrees, the most expensive desserts, etc. They figure they can't afford to eat like that normally, and what the heck, it's going to be expensed anyhow.

    I'm almost always the guest. But I see it with other guests who accompany us.  It's just incrediby greedy and tacky.  

    If you're dining with people like these, the host is just of stuck. You (and other guests if they're observant) can usually see it happening with the entree, appetizer, sides and dessert, but you can't say anything.

    All you can do is resolve to go to a less expensive restaurant next time.

    This is, of course, symbolic. But there are many of legitimate things to shame Paul Ryan for.

    A glass or two of expensive wine with "possible lobbyists" --most likely consultants? And TPM notes a "generous tip" to a server is additional reason to be outraged? Aren't we the party of working folks?

    Meh, nothing to see here.

     

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    by grover on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 03:02:30 PM PDT

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    •  What are the limits for the cost of the meal (1+ / 0-)
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      if the lobbyists are paying for it?  I believe at the Colorado state level, it's so low basically the politician has to go Dutch.

      I wonder if that has to be reported - if the wines cost $700, the meal was probably over $1000 at the minimum, so was this reported?

      •  Per TPM, (6+ / 0-)
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        "possible lobbyists."

        If someone wants to investigate the identities of these "conservative economists" and confirm, great. Until then, guilt by association isn't cool. Congressmen are allowed to eat dinner out and even enjoy themselves. That doesn't mean everyone they cavort with are lobbyists.

        Feinberg had no idea who they were; she started snapping photos of them with her cell phone; she confronted him; his first response was "is that how much [the wine] cost?" (indicating he didn't order it).  And he paid $472 himself.

        It's kind of sleazy to me. If Fox or Breitbart pulled this stunt with a Dem representative, we'd be defending our guy. Let's get the facts before we roast Ryan alive.

        I despise him. But I like my journalism facts-based.

        © grover. My sockpuppet is a fuzzy blue muppet.

        by grover on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 03:34:50 PM PDT

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    •  why are you fightin so hard for Ryan? (0+ / 0-)

      up and down the thread you've fought hard for Ryan profligracy. Do you do the same for things like democratic haircuts? Just askin.

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 05:13:34 PM PDT

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      •  I do, actually. I don't like pettiness. (1+ / 0-)
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        The non-stop bitching about the cost of Chelsea Clinton's wedding (millions! Billions! Gazillions of dollars!) bugged me. The damn Edwards haircut was a non-issue for me, as an Edwards donor, and I said so loudly.  The president gets mocked for playing golf all the time (a rich white man's game, I think is the message they're sending).

        We get accused of "Class Warfare" all the time. This, not raising taxes on the rich, is what feels like warfare to me. It's the pettiness.

        I,  for one, don't care how wealthy people spend their money. If Ryan broke the law, he should be sanctioned.  Otherwise, it may be obscene to some to spend hundreds of dollars on a bottle of wine or millions on a piece of art. But the problem isn't how they spend their money: it's the fact that they're not adequately taxed and the system doesn't adequately provide a safety net for the non- rich.

        This stuff is a distraction from the real issues.

        If we really want to complain about these bottles of wine, I'm pissed that he's drinking French wine on US soil. That should be illegal for members of Congress.

        We have extraordinary wines produced right here that rival and surpass what he drank. American wine = American jobs.

        Let's make a fuss about THAT and I bet a lot more Americans will be upset.

        © grover. My sockpuppet is a fuzzy blue muppet.

        by grover on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 06:07:53 PM PDT

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