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  •  Because Republicans are omnipotent, (0+ / 0-)

    and Obama is utterly powerless?

    If the president is as weak as Obama pretends to be, then having a Gooper in that office will be harmless.

    If the president is as mighty as the OH NOES brigade is telling us a Republican one will be, then why is Obama (pretending to be?) so fucking weak?

    You simply can't have it both ways.

    Wake up. He's a willing stooge. That's what's cost him my vote, permanently.

    grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

    by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 01:49:04 PM PDT

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    •  You'll wake up eventually. (0+ / 0-)

      It'dve been easier had I woken you up, but if you want to have cold hard reality wake you up, that's your call.

      Shame the rest of us are going to have to suffer cause your ideological blinders won't come off.

      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

      by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 02:50:10 PM PDT

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      •  I've watched both parties in power. (0+ / 0-)

        You can't have it both ways.

        Either the President is powerful, and thus accountable, and thus Obama is an utter fucking failure on this...

        ...Or he's weak, ineffectual, and powerless, in which case there is no point in reelecting him.

        Now you pick which of those is true, because one of them must be, and both of them can't.

        grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

        by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:00:09 PM PDT

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        •  Both of them are wrong. (0+ / 0-)

          The President is powerful when his party controls congress, which will be given to them by you and people like you.

          The President is weak when his party does not- you and yours did your best to hand Congress to the tebaggers in 2012, and only the fact that they're fucking insane stopped you from achieving your goal.

          Its very simple- re-elect Obama and hand him back the House and Senate and you'll be closer to getting what you want. (Though probably not close enough to suit you, because you still wont have a mandate, and you're delusional enough to base your expectations on something that doesn't exist).

          The left had a chance to actually get a mandate for progressive policy in 2010. They blew it, big-time.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:14:08 PM PDT

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          •  His party did control Congress when he took power. (0+ / 0-)

            He threw it away.

            So you fail again.

            grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

            by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:27:05 PM PDT

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            •  In name only and you know it (0+ / 0-)

              Any excuse to cling to your delusion instead of dealing with reality.

              "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

              by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 04:46:39 PM PDT

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              •  That window you're looking out of is a mirror. (0+ / 0-)

                Cling to the anchor Obama just threw you. It will pull you straight to the "surface." As he's redefined it.

                grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

                by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 05:01:02 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, and had the left had a clue (0+ / 0-)

      and not depressed turnout so badly, Obama wouldn't be in the weak position he's in, where he has to negotiate with the insane.

      The Republican base, for all their insanity, has the right idea: reward little successes with bigger electoral victories and get bigger successess.

      The left seems to think that tearing down accomplishments, depressing turnout and causing the President and the party to be put in a weaker position somehow magically will get them bigger successess.

      Those of us who are actually reality based know that trick never works.

      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

      by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 02:53:07 PM PDT

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      •  Had he not thrown his mandate away, they might (0+ / 0-)

        have had a reason to show up at the polls.

        That "reality" you keep harping on?

        It isn't.

        grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

        by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:00:56 PM PDT

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        •  That mandate you keep harping on? (0+ / 0-)

          It's not.  It doesn't exist and never did. It's a myth.

          hatred of Bush and fear of Palin IN NO WAY equated to a mandate for progressive policy.

          The sooner you let go of that delusion and deal with reality, the better off everyone will be.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:09:43 PM PDT

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          •  He had a *_landslide mandate_*. And threw it away. (0+ / 0-)

            He didn't come to office determined to enact the platform on which he'd run: change from business as usual.

            He came to office determined to beg permission from Republicans to enact the most incremental of changes in the most meaningless of areas.

            Then appointed Wall Streeters and Righties to all important positions.

            No wonder no one turned out for his 2010 referendum.

            Your "reality" is the cognitive dissonance that you hang onto to avoid realizing you've been played.

            grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

            by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:26:09 PM PDT

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            •  Bullshit! (0+ / 0-)

              And until you recognize that he most certainly did not have a mandate; what he had was people who hated Bush and feared Palin- you're going to be delusional and dissapointed.

              But I get the distinct impression you're comfortable being both those things. It's certainly easier than dealing with reality.

              "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

              by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 04:45:02 PM PDT

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              •  No, truth. (0+ / 0-)

                He had a landslide.

                You capitalize on one of those by acting as if it's real, and pushing ahead boldly.

                Not by asking the Republicans to approve your every move.

                As for reality, you wouldn't know reality if it bit you.

                grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

                by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 05:02:42 PM PDT

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                •  You wouldn't know truth (0+ / 0-)

                  if you were staring at it.

                  You're dead wrong, and you refuse to face facts. You're no longer worth my time.

                  The 2008 election was IN NO WAY a mandate for progressive policies.  Period. Point blank. End of story. It's un-arguable.

                  "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

                  by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 05:52:01 PM PDT

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                  •  Keep telling yourself that. (0+ / 0-)

                    Maybe, someday, you'll find a way to live with your support of a Republican stooge who destroyed the country he was elected to lead.

                    Don't bother to tell me when you do, because IDGAF.

                    grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

                    by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 05:55:07 PM PDT

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                    •  I'm going to laugh in your face (0+ / 0-)

                      when the country comes out of the 8 years of the Obama presidency stronger than it's ever been, despite the best efforts of reactionaries like you and yours.

                      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

                      by Whimsical on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 06:08:31 PM PDT

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                      •  Keep telling yourself that. (0+ / 0-)

                        Maybe someday you'll meet someone who believes it.

                        It will be a Republican, who will laugh in your face.

                        Just like they're doing now.

                        grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

                        by khereva on Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 06:11:05 PM PDT

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