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  •  Long story short, Edelman is full of shit! (0+ / 0-)
    •  I urge you all to read the statement... (0+ / 0-)

      issued jointly by the IEA, IFT and the CTU (pdf). Don't rely solely on the "Fred Klonsky Blog." Fred is a disgruntled IEA member intent on tearing down the organization's leadership criticizing them at every turn. Yet Mr. Klonsky doesn't run for any IEA leadership positions as he's more than content to remain behind his keyboard where he can pretend to be important. He immediately jumps on anything critical of the IEA and runs with it regardless of what the facts may say.

      •  You're a lying sack of shit (1+ / 0-)
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        Fred puts his ass on the line for his fellow teachers every day of the week, and has for years.  This "leadership" has sold teachers out time and time again.

        "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

        by Ivan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 05:10:54 AM PDT

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        •  Ivan... (0+ / 0-)

          I've been to my fair share of representative's assemblies, including this last one in Chicago and don't recall Fred doing much other than tweeting and spending an inordinate amount of time out of his seat during RA business. Nor do I recall Fred spending much time at the microphone during the Illinois caucus to argue his side of the issues. I do, however, recall Fred being extremely confrontational with at least one other delegate over his votes.

          I don't doubt that Fred works hard at what he does. It's not his work ethic I'm questioning. It's the agenda behind his motives that bothers me. If he's so much smarter than the IEA leadership who has "sold teachersmout time and time again," why wasn't he running for any of the open executive seats during this last election? If leadership is as corrupt as you and Fred want us all to believe, I would think that sitting around and not trying to unseat them would be unacceptable for someone who "puts his ass on the line for his teachers every day of the week."

          •  My comment stands (0+ / 0-)

            Are you really, seriously defending the craven performance of IEA leadership? Jesus, man, they gave away your fucking PENSIONS! And you'd rather attack Fred?

            "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

            by Ivan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 06:38:28 AM PDT

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            •  As does mine (0+ / 0-)

              I believe that actions speak louder than words and I've seen Fred in action.

              •  Tell me about the pensions (0+ / 0-)

                This is about IEA leadership, and not about Fred. Do you defend your leadership's role in the pension giveaway? Do you? Answer me.

                "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

                by Ivan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:25:30 AM PDT

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                •  No, Ivan, this is about... (1+ / 0-)
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                  Edelman's comments and my desire for others not to rely solely on Klonsky's interpretation of this event for reasons I have already stated. If you'd like to talk about pensions, I'd be glad to discuss them but you might want to start by not demanding that I answer you.

                  •  This is about IEA leadership (0+ / 0-)

                    And nothing but, no matter how much you might spin to defend them. I'll continue to consider Fred a more reliable source than I consider you. Bye.

                    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

                    by Ivan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 02:31:07 PM PDT

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          •  out here in WA-WA union "activism" consists of (0+ / 0-)

            FIRST sitting on your ass, at least twice a month, in boring fucking meetings which suck up at least 3 hours per meeting, where the agenda is ALWAYS supplied at the last minute, and then people get to waste everyone's time with on the fly word smith-ing and phrase tweaking of all the last minute agenda items.

            "Democracy" is always the excuse for dysfunctional, inept inefficiency - and it works great for those who do NOT already have a 40+++++ hour a week job, so they can stay in charge by wasting everyone's time because with all the time wasting requirements, few barely participate and most don't participate.

            Kind of like some Seattle branches of the Democratic Party.

            Oh yeah - and if / when you do move up in union nirvana with the big kidz at the big people table, THEN you get treated to the Washington State Democratic Party 'seat at the table' dance, where you get to go to the select meetings with 100 or 200 other select people, and you got a seat at the table at the rubber chicken banquet, and you get to learn, from some Congress critter or U.S. Senator or the Gov.,

            you get to learn how ...

            boo hoo ...

            the mean meanies are mean, and, sniffle sniffle whine whine, ... the mean meanies aren't nice, and the mean meanies don't tell the truth ...

            and we're gonna cut pensions and community servant pay and assistance to the incapable cuz the mean meanies won't allow us to do anything to the rich pig scum who've fucked everything up!

            so - are you part of the IEA leadership, so you are spending time attacking a grunt for NOT wanting to get into the Illinois rubber chicken banquet & listen to lying scum like Rahm - Arne tell you all how YOU gotta pay cuz the rich pigs stole everything?

            Did you notice that White House sell out we all voted for selling us out, OR

            I am NOT helping cuz I won't clap louder?

            Edelman is a full of shit - but - go after this Fred guy cuz he doesn't want to be part of the Rahm-Arne-Barack sell out club !!

            rmm.  

            Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

            by seabos84 on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:48:53 AM PDT

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