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  •  I had the same response to this. (13+ / 0-)

    The overlords have spoken. "Raise the limit and stop screwing around."

    Is this a last desperate attempt for the GOP to find a high ground?

    If a no-strings-attached debt limit bill is passed, then I'll be impressed and relieved. I dearly hope that a "grand bargain" is not reached, given what Obama keeps firmly placing back on the table over and over.

    •  I still think (13+ / 0-)

      this is Obama's end game. He keeps throwing these huge deficit numbers around because he knows that the Republicans aren't serious. All he wants in the end is what he always wanted a clean bill.

      In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

      by jsfox on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:18:31 AM PDT

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    •  Undoubtedly. (6+ / 0-)
      The overlords have spoken. "Raise the limit and stop screwing around."
    •  What makes you think no-strings-attached? (1+ / 0-)
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      Why would the Repugs go for no-strings-attached when they can get the Democrats to vote for big cuts in Medicare and Social Security, and in a few months, do this all over again over the Budget fight.

      Sounds to me like he may take the deal on the table, with crocodile tears, and be laughing all the way back to his caucus.  If he takes the deal on the table, the Democrats are really screwed.

      •  he said point blank he can't do that. (3+ / 0-)
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        the "deal on the table" such  as we know about it, has tax hikes (or loophole closures, or expenditure changes) in it, and those are anathema. He cannot abide anything that resembles a hike, so he's giving up getting anything as a deal. He also said point blank that Republicans aren't going to default.
        Check and mate.
        How do you read those statements?

        Obama's like Bush? No. He's more like Cheney. They both shoot people in the face.

        by kamarvt on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:52:44 AM PDT

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        •  There will be a compromise (2+ / 0-)
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          It will be less than what's on the table, in exchange for extending the debt ceiling for some shorter period of time, maybe 6 months.

          I don't see anyway he can go back to the Tea Baggers and say we give up, we've been defeated.  He'll take a small mysterious tax hike in the future, along with some much bigger cuts in spending.  Then we'll do this all over again over the new budget, and then again when the debt ceiling comes up again.

          The Republicans will get what they want through small bites rather than one monster chomp.

          •  ah, yes, Door #3. (0+ / 0-)

            The slinging of insults looks like petulance, but it could just as easily be setting the stage for"you didn't give us what we want, so we won't give you what you want" which Obama stated was no stopgaps.
            But why McConnell? If it was Boehner or Cantor, it would be a plausible threat, but McConnell is in the minority in the Senate.
            But your point is well taken. This ain't over. It may be that 8/2/11 is no longer Armageddon, but nothing else is settled.

            Obama's like Bush? No. He's more like Cheney. They both shoot people in the face.

            by kamarvt on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:19:27 AM PDT

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            •  A Pitbull roundup. (0+ / 0-)

              Today McConnell stars in the theater, yesterday it was Boehner, tomorrow maybe Cantor.  These are the Repug leaders and they have to show their base how they tried to put the pressure on the Dems.  I really think the compromise won't be a party line vote.  Some Dems and Repugs are going to have to cross over.  All the leadership is going to have to be on board.  

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