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  •  Exactly. The lesson has been learned. (3+ / 0-)

    Look, I am no Obama apologist, I have continually been disappointed in his negotiating away all our principles, BUT if he pushed the 4 Trillion package and medicare increase to 67 knowing that the Republicans were not agreeing to ANYTHING (and the order would be given by Wall Street that times is up, pass a clean bill) and that they would walk away - then I guess I have to say - "well played sir"

    IF IF IF this is truly what is happening, then it does make sense for him to push for HUGE cuts, but insist on some revenue increases, just to show the entire world that the Republicans were not serious about the debt, period.

    "How can the United States be the Greatest Nation ever if it is the only modern nation where citizens hold bake sales to pay for life saving medical care?" Single payer is coming but how many people will die before it becomes the only solution?

    by 4CasandChlo on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:51:00 AM PDT

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    •  could have been done differently, of course (3+ / 0-)

      for instance, I seem to remember that the Republicans insisted on extending the Bush Tax Cuts just seven short months ago.
      Those extensions have already added several billions to the debt, and will continue to do so through the two years they were extended for (and again after that, does anyone doubt?)
      That simple argument has worked in the circles I run in, but hey, 11th dimensional chess is funner, I guess.

      Obama's like Bush? No. He's more like Cheney. They both shoot people in the face.

      by kamarvt on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:56:50 AM PDT

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    •  That's exactly what he did. (2+ / 0-)
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      4CasandChlo, MikeTheLiberal

      And his mild chiding of 'business leaders' being reticent about the rethugs' antics at y'day's presser already had its effect today.

      One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists. So, how did Obama piss you off today ?
      Call the media when they Lie

      by amk for obama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:57:25 AM PDT

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