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  •  Fortunately on the "extreme hypothetical" (3+ / 0-)
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    Whimsical, liberaldemdave, Ahianne

    The worst extremists don't show up in the Dem party.

    If I were going to come back at you in that regard - where would you stand with a candidate who supported gay rights but refused to take any position on abortion and birth control, and also wanted to pull out of the United Nations and wanted to eliminate paper money?

    As far as Obama's record, he's been so much more supportive on gay issues than any President before him that  it's breathtaking to me. Of course, I'm pretty old and have a pretty long view on where we have been, where we are, how long it took to get here, and the expectation of how long it might take us to get where we want to go.

    •  there are at least 19 of the "worst extremists" (2+ / 0-)
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      Maikeru Ronin, Uberbah

      already in congress under the "D" label...at least on what i see as my  most fundamental human right: the ability to have my marriage recognized at the federal level (which would grant an entire cornucopia of other rights and render any other discriminatory laws completely unenforceable, not to mention unconstitutional).

      where would i stand on your hypothetical? well, unfortunately, i would have to vote for what is best for me and the community with which i most strongly identify. that's just me. we all have to draw our lines in the sand...as humans, 99.999999999% that will be for selfish (either personal "self" or community identity "self") reasons.

      as for obama's record, it can also be said that george w. bush was the "most 'progressive'" on stem cell research. (funny how that can be flipped :), no?)

      obama's being the most progressive on glbt equality has far more to do with societal changes than anything he's actually done...every thing he's done on glbt issues, IMO (stressed), has been done through a prism of political calculation.

      i'm pretty old, too...and my husband is even older (at 67). i came out when the dallas police department was still arresting and getting convictions for "public lewdness" for couples merely holding hands...in the heart of the gay 'hood.

      thanks, again, for the agreeable though disagreeing dialogue. this is how productive exchange works and, frankly, does the entire community a service when they see that we can talk TO each other instead of PAST each other (and without resorting to "you poppyhead" tactics at the drop of a hat).

      "I believe that marriage is between a man and woman and I am not in favor of gay marriage..." and, also: "Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix." ~ barack obama

      by liberaldemdave on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:54:57 PM PDT

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