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  •  Sorry but this isn't far off from Glenn Beck (6+ / 0-)

    and his Islami caliphate theory.

    •  BS, pointing out that Arab approval is worse (0+ / 0-)

      under Obama then under Bush is relevant. Those on the left have said for years that are actions breed more terrorists. Are we now going against that because a Democrat is POTUS?

      Your lame Glenn BECK!11!1! hysteria is noted, you couldn't actually debate what the diary said so went directly to smears.

      'We are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!' - Hillary Clinton

      by pot on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:48:10 AM PDT

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      •  **our actions (0+ / 0-)

        'We are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!' - Hillary Clinton

        by pot on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:51:54 AM PDT

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      •  I was referring to the part where (3+ / 0-)
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        the diarist stated that supporting the Arab Spring was a blatant attempt to create anti-Israel muslim theocracies in the middle east. How is that different from what Glenn Beck said?

        The fact that under the diarist's theory, this attempt to create enemies is meant to spurn more war is irrelevant. It still puts forth the idea that there is a grand conspiracy behind what happened in Egypt with the goal of creating a muslim state.

        I don't buy it. Either one.

        I didn't comment on the polls of arab opinion of America, because it has very little to do with the above.

        •  My bad. (2+ / 0-)
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          Your right, I believe the diarist fooled me and I will explain why. I just went and reread the diary for a second time and let it sink in and it almost seems like two different diaries. The first half is good actually with some good details on the recent polls. But then when the second half starts (the paragraph beginning with "The so called "Arab Spring") starts the diary then veers off the wall stuff. I suspect the diarist wrote it that way to trick people into reading it, he fooled me.

          'We are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!' - Hillary Clinton

          by pot on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:10:25 PM PDT

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        •  Nope... (0+ / 0-)

          I never said, "...supporting the Arab Spring was a blatant attempt to create anti-Israel muslim theocracies in the middle east." I said that the people who live there will desire a more Islamic, and according to popular opinion an Islamic state that would necessarily be anti-American and anti-Israeli, and that that situation could lead to another situation where the U.S. intervenes and installs another Mubarak like puppet. What in the world do you think that Pakistan is? It's a U.S. backed Islamic Republic.

          And, as I said in my update, I never said there is a grand conspiracy to create  more war, I'm saying it is likely inevitable because of our own government's nature to intervene militarily in other nations, which undoubtedly spurs more war.

          "To shut off subversion is to shut off peaceful progress and to invite revolution and war." - I.F. Stone

          by Alex Malecki on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:07:30 PM PDT

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      •  what the polls may reveal (0+ / 0-)

        is that the Arab societies now enjoy free speech as polls taken before the Arab Spring usually showed a higher rate of approval for the more repressive regimes.  For example, Saddam enjoyed higher approval ratings than GWB

      •  Arab approval ratings may reflect (0+ / 0-)

        a greater degree of free speech, as respondents under more repressive regimes supported by GWB would feel intimidated filing a negative opinion.
        Another reason for negative opinions might be founded in their disappointment with Obama and their high expectations compared to  relatively low expectations for GWB.  Also, Israel's RW has been able to institute their world view on their country more aggressively and disappointment over the failure to move the I/P peace process farther might also factor in.
        However none of these necessarily manufacture jihadists.  Jihadist culture prospers most in areas where there are no educational or employment opportunities and no prosperity or hope  

    •  this diary may be illustrative of a growing (0+ / 0-)

      problem at Kos in my opinion.  It seems the number of problematical diaries which tend to be shorter, less well sourced, and frequently contrary to the traditional tone and goals of this site, has increased.  Many times the diaries are the product of writers who have been on the site for a relatively shorter period of time and who have less history or participation here than others.

      I know of no easy solution but it seems the problem is growing  

      •  Ah, except... (0+ / 0-)

        if one were to actually read the FAQ section of the website, and look at the section under the header "Purpose of this Blog" one will find this:

        "This is a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. One that recognizes that Democrats run from left to right on the ideological spectrum, and yet we're all still in this fight together. We happily embrace centrists like NDN's Simon Rosenberg and Howard Dean, conservatives like Martin Frost and Brad Carson, and liberals like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Liberal? Yeah, we're around here and we're proud. But it's not a liberal blog. It's a Democratic blog with one goal in mind: electoral victory. And since we haven't gotten any of that from the current crew, we're one more thing: a reform blog. The battle for the party is not an ideological battle. It's one between establishment and anti-establishment factions. And as I've said a million times, the status quo is untenable."

        I believe it is fairly clear that my blogging falls under these sentences: "we're one more thing: a reform blog. The battle for the party is not an ideological battle. It's one between establishment and anti-establishment factions. And as I've said a million times, the status quo is untenable."

        "To shut off subversion is to shut off peaceful progress and to invite revolution and war." - I.F. Stone

        by Alex Malecki on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:25:01 PM PDT

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        •  I would respond that some of the activity here (0+ / 0-)

          falls outside the realm of what is Democratic and that some of what is presented is really faux Democratic,maybe couched in Democratic terms but presenting arguments from beyond the Pale

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