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  •  I'm no expert (4+ / 0-)
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    and I wish some Brits would weigh in... but I think not.  Cameron cut Murdoch loose pretty quickly and has moved to get out in front of this.  And I don't think he knew the extent of the scandal or the fact that Scotland Yard was being bugged.  Cameron seems to have turned on NewsCorps bid on SkyTV.  Murdoch may have some dirt on him, but in the past it was politicians who were scared of Murdoch not the other way around.  I suspect the Conservatives will weather this because they have been responding by calling for more regulation and tossing aside anyone that appears to be directly involved.

    The opposite would happen if there were a similar scandal involving the GOP on this side of the Atlantic.  They would circle the wagons.  Cameron is smart enough not to do that which is why I think he will survive.

    "Sedimentary people stay in one place. They only interact with other sedimentary people."

    by ivorybill on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 11:16:13 AM PDT

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    •  I'm no expert either (3+ / 0-)
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      But looking at the polls, the Liberal Democrats are heading for a meltdown.  Is it possible to break up the coalition, maybe in order for Clegg (or whomever succeeds him) to save the party?  

      "People who defend the indefensible lose all credibility" (h/t Karl Rover). And racism, anytime, anywhere, and by anyone is indefensible.

      by Rustbelt Dem on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 11:23:19 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah but if the lib dems pulled the plug (3+ / 0-)
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        now they'd be well and truly hosed. The way it is now they have 4 years to try and redeem themselves.

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        by voroki on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 11:25:55 AM PDT

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        •  Unless they went into immediate coalition... (5+ / 0-)

          ...with Labour

          "It is only for the sake of those without hope that hope is given to us." Walter Benjamin. More sane debate on the Moose

          by Brit on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 11:34:07 AM PDT

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        •  That's probably true (4+ / 0-)

          I was thinking that the Lib Dems could make some noise against the Tories, using the fact that Paddy Ashdown warned Cameron about Coulson, etc to try to put some distance between the two in a general election.  However, I'm probably looking at this through the lenses of normal American political hypocrisy.  

          As a side note, there are risks in Clegg dragging things out in the hopes of them getting better down the line.  Didn't Callaghan find out that things could always get worse?

          "People who defend the indefensible lose all credibility" (h/t Karl Rover). And racism, anytime, anywhere, and by anyone is indefensible.

          by Rustbelt Dem on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 11:38:25 AM PDT

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          •  Events, dear boy, Events (3+ / 0-)

            "It is only for the sake of those without hope that hope is given to us." Walter Benjamin. More sane debate on the Moose

            by Brit on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 12:17:05 PM PDT

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            •  And possibly more to come... (2+ / 0-)
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              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

              News Corp Phone Hacking Scandal May Spread To Australia (excerpts)

              News Corp's phone hacking scandal threatened to spread to a third country Friday, as Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard announced that she would be open to an investigation of the company's practices in Murdoch's native country.

              The head of the Green Party, Senator Bob Brown, is leading calls to investigate News Limited, News Corp's Australian subsidiary, which controls a substantial portion of the media. Gillard said she would be "happy" to discuss such an inquiry.

              News Limited chief executive John Hartigan also dismissed the need for an inquiry into journalistic conduct as "totally unnecessary." He said that the company would submit to an inquiry, but differentiated between newsroom culture in Australia and the UK. "They're very sensational, they deal with people's lives, private lives and some of the behaviours that have come out are obviously being driven by the need to get in front of each other," he said of the British press. "I would argue very strenuously that we don't have those behaviours in Australia."

              May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

              by msmacgyver on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 06:43:28 PM PDT

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          •  It's complicated (6+ / 0-)

            there are parts of the country where before the current period of power they couldn't buy a vote. Basically anywhere which had a thriving coal industry/in the 1970's

            The Lib Dems are a combination of the old Liberal party, and the more rightwards part of the old Labour party. You find old miners who blame their split for the damage Thatcher managed to do to the Nationalised industries then as they managed to split the vote of the left.

            Personally I do think that the best move that the LDs could do is run for the hills leaving the tory party a smoking wreck behind. but they are probably gambling on a huge economic  recovery,(Which with gideon in charge at the treasury is somewhat unlikely)

            Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

            by ceebs on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 12:30:23 PM PDT

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            •  I've viewed (1+ / 0-)
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              the LDs, at least since 2005, as somewhat schizophrenic.  Mind you, this is from an ocean away, so take my simplistic armchair analysis with a grain of salt. You had the wing that I've seen referred to by some denizens of the Guardian comment section as the "Yellow Tories," and another wing consisting of disaffected ex-Labourites who were pissed off at Blair (mostly about the Iraq war, but for other reasons).

              I always thought that Labour voters would eventually come home once they were in opposition, which makes the failure of the referendum catastrophic for a Clegg-led party.  

              I'm not so sure that the UK economy could turn around in the next three and a half years due to structural issues (having 40% of your export base tied to the burning house that is the Eurozone can't help), and especially under center right economic policy.  

              "People who defend the indefensible lose all credibility" (h/t Karl Rover). And racism, anytime, anywhere, and by anyone is indefensible.

              by Rustbelt Dem on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 08:49:27 PM PDT

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    •  Peter King is calling (1+ / 0-)
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      for an FBI investigation:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Peter King Seeks FBI Investigation Of News Corporation 9/11 Hack Report - 7/13/11

      WASHINGTON -- The powerful Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee is demanding that the FBI investigate Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. over reports his defunct News of the World tried to hack 9/11 victims' phones.

      Now Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is demanding that FBI Director Robert Mueller open a probe, becoming the most prominent Republican to demand an investigation into the corporate parent of the conservative-leaning Fox News.

      King wrote to Mueller Wednesday, ripping the actions of Murdoch's minions.

      "It is revolting to imagine that members of the media would seek to compromise the integrity of a public official for financial gain in the pursuit of yellow journalism," King wrote. "The 9/11 families have suffered egregiously, but unfortunately they remain vulnerable against such unjustifiable parasitic strains."

      "I make this request not only as the Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, but as a Member of Congress who represents a district that lost more than 150 constituents in those terrorist attacks," he wrote. "It is my duty to discern every fact behind these allegations."


      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 04:49:02 PM PDT

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      •  he'll backtrack if it implicates FOX (1+ / 0-)
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        so I think he's blowing smoke and knows the FBI is already looking into it.

        America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

        by cacamp on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 06:51:59 PM PDT

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        •  He's in a tight spot as he does (0+ / 0-)

          represent so many victims.  It is a political move right now but I'm not so sure he'd back off if Fox got pulled into it at some time in the future.  No politician would align themself with Fox if Ailes were implicated in hacking 9/11 victims.

          It was Senator Rockefeller who took the lead.

          http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

          Senator Urges Murdoch Investigation - 7/12/11

          The chairman of a powerful Senate committee said Tuesday he fears the phone-hacking scandal engulfing Britain may have crossed the Atlantic into the United States and urged federal law-enforcement agencies to launch an investigation.

          Jay Rockefeller (D-W. Va.), whose Commerce Committee oversees telecommunications and media issues that affect Rupert Murdoch’s empire, left open the possibility that his panel would also investigate, but he wants federal agencies such as the FBI to take the lead.


          May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 07:07:45 PM PDT

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