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  •  Except they aren't, really. That's the point. (0+ / 0-)

    I know it went over your head; I'm trying here, I really am.

    He could have put anything "on the table" - as long as he kept insisting on the tax hikes, they weren't going anywhere.  However, but repeatedly looking like he was doing his best to reach a deal, and making the Republicans look like they weren't, he won the politics.

    Remember "Nothing is agreed to unless everything is agreed to?"  These weren't negotiations; they were discussions carried out as part of a fight for public and elite opinion.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 08:08:56 AM PDT

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    •  I'm confused.... (1+ / 0-)
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      WTF did he say?

      "Always remember this: They fight with money and we resist with time, and they’re going to run out of money before we run out of time." -Utah Philips

      by TerryDarc on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 08:27:00 AM PDT

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    •  Repugs love nothing better than to blow up (3+ / 0-)

      trust in government.  That's why putting SS, etc on the table, instead of in a lock box, is itself destructive.  Trial balloons to screw up these programs are being floated by our side all over the place, especially over the White House and by some of our idiotic Senators.

      You're sure the President has won the politics?  Any deficit reduction comes at the cost of jobs, contrary to the teachings of great economists like Sarah Palin.  Which issue will people vote on in 2012?   Deficit reduction or jobs?  

      Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

      by deben on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 09:36:57 AM PDT

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    •  and lost the policy big time - since he (1+ / 0-)
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      showed he more or less agrees with the Republican view of the budget ... the 9% unemployment is basically guaranteed for 2012.  He got some modest victories, boosts to his popularity - but a pyrrhic victory, if at all.

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