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  •  Penn State is funded by Pennsylvania (6+ / 0-)

    A whopping 4% of its budget comes from the state. The GOP Gov. wants to cut that by 50%.

    Ladies and gentleman, PSU-->a public institution!!!!

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 08:41:42 AM PDT

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    •  State-related... (5+ / 0-)
      The Commonwealth System of Higher Education is the organizing body of Pennsylvania's "state-related" schools, which allows the independent control of the universities while supplying them with the public funds needed for operations at each institution. Universities in the System are considered public universities, but are under independent control rather than that of the state. Because of their independent status, universities in the Commonwealth System tend to have higher tuition costs compared to the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education. They are exempt from Pennsylvania's Open Records law except for a few minor provisions[1]. Before the creation of the "state-related" legal status in the early 1970s, Pennsylvania State University was public and Lincoln University, Temple University and University of Pittsburgh were private.

      Quasi-public.  It has a different status than other public institutions like Shippensburg.

      I for one am tired of pandering to perpetrators --- many of whom are opposed to any discussion however it comes. -- soothsayer99 DPK Caucus

      by princss6 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 09:22:33 AM PDT

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      •  This is the same system all over the nation (2+ / 0-)
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        There are many university systems just like PSU that are independent of the state regents but which are funded by the state government just the same. Pennsylvania has largely abdicated the funding of public higher education at the highest levels.

        There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

        by upstate NY on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:39:25 AM PDT

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        •  That may be true but in PA only.... (1+ / 0-)
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          four "state-related" universities in PA...PSU, Lincoln, Temple and Pitt.

          There are about 30 public universities in PA, excluding those four.  They are somewhere in between a public and a private school.

          There is a difference and a distinction.

          And as someone posted on 4% of the PSU budget comes from the State meaning 96% comes from some place else.  That's not true of our public universities like Shippensberg, etc.

          Just want to make we are defining this precisely since I'm an alum.  Gotta protect the brand, baby!  Makes me duckets.

          I for one am tired of pandering to perpetrators --- many of whom are opposed to any discussion however it comes. -- soothsayer99 DPK Caucus

          by princss6 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:47:00 AM PDT

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          •  It's the whole PSU system that's hardly (2+ / 0-)
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            supported though. All the PSU satellites like Altoona, Dubois, etc. They are also not getting much state support.

            I don't think this is a good ting at all for PSU nor for Pennsylvania. The state has abdicated its responsibility to provide high quality public education.

            There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

            by upstate NY on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 06:54:44 PM PDT

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        •  No, the PA system is considerably worse (3+ / 0-)
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          Quite a few state schools elsewhere have some degree of autonomy from the state gov't, or receive negligible state funding. Only in PA does the state not actually have ultimate control over this system, however. Penn State's board of trustees is appointed only 1/3 by the state gov't. The others -- which were originally private, but became state-related as part of a bailout deal in the 70s when most of them were bankrupt -- have as little as 1/5 of their board state-appointed.

          In the case of Penn State, many of the remaining seats are appointed by stakeholders from agriculture, alumni of the university, etc. The rest, and most of the seats at places like Pitt and Temple, are standard corporate board appointments. From Penn State's website:

          Penn State's 32-member Board of Trustees is composed of the following: Five trustees serve in an ex officio capacity by virtue of their position within the University or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. They are the President of the University; the Governor of the Commonwealth; and the state secretaries of the departments of Agriculture; Education; and Conservation and Natural Resources. Six trustees are appointed by the Governor; nine trustees are elected by the alumni; six are elected by organized agricultural societies within the Commonwealth; and six are elected by the Board of Trustees representing business and industry endeavors.

          PA's "commonwealth system" institutions also, not coincidentally, have some of the highest in-state tuition for any public university in the whole country.

          •  Ha! (4+ / 0-)
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            I remember when tuition was $1600 a semester in-state.  Sigh!

            I for one am tired of pandering to perpetrators --- many of whom are opposed to any discussion however it comes. -- soothsayer99 DPK Caucus

            by princss6 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:50:33 AM PDT

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          •  Wait a second.Can you be clearer? (1+ / 0-)
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            What distinction are you making that differs from mine?

            There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

            by upstate NY on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 06:56:23 PM PDT

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            •  You said (1+ / 0-)
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              "this is the same system all over the nation".

              That's not quite true. An increasing number of state universities are semi-independent entities with some kind of "charter" or "public authority", which gives them leave to have purchasing and labor policies that aren't part of their state's overall system. The vast majority of them, however, still have their entire board appointed and confirmed by the state government.

              PA is an exception to that -- and Penn State the least of these exceptions. The PA "commonwealth system" seems to be far less accountable to the public good than most state universities, and tuition is only the tip of the iceberg as far as that goes.

              •  This isn't my experience at all (0+ / 0-)

                Even SUNY which is part of the state system appoints its own board.

                But the point I was making was that PSU and all the satellite schools are only nominally public institutions. In states where the setup is similar, schools receive more than 4% of their budget from the state. Take Michigan St, for example.

                There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

                by upstate NY on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 12:12:26 PM PDT

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