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    but I don't think you would disagree that this is one of the standard rationale for a lot of the seemingly one sided compromises we have seen for basically the past 10 years.

    On the last issue, I think you have identified the issue. Wanting to pass stuff.  At what point do we move to, going over the Congress.  Lay out your policy and press, press, press.  

    I truly believe there is value to standing up for something.  I think taking ownership of a bad result can in many instances be worse the no result.  It is tough though.

    The best opportunity in my opinion would have been the stimulus.  What if they would have held firm for a bill that met the Keynesian economic model?  The equivalent of what Scott Walker did essentially.  The result of passing a poor bill is a true hit to some basic economic theory AND a hit to progressive credibility.  It would be wrought with political danger (we would have inched even closer towards a depression), but at the same time, the political pressure would have likely forced Republicans to move.

    I guess my point is, why not use this pressure (putting the other side on the defensive) before the bills pass like Republicans do.

    Something just doesn't add up to me, and it is why the public tunes Washington out more and more daily.

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 06:17:41 AM PDT

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    •  I actually think there's value in (0+ / 0-)

      passing stuff. ;-)

      So long as it's decent stuff to pass.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 06:20:10 AM PDT

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      •  comes down to the definition of decent I guess (0+ / 0-)

        But to be clear, my point was yes we should pass something in most cases, but we should press harder for a good deal, even if it means not passing something in the short term.  And if it is truly a bad deal, take a pass and tell the public why it was bad.

        This whole situation is a bad example though because of the debt ceiling.  That has to pass, so the question is one of who is willing to blink first.

        "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

        by justmy2 on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 06:33:15 AM PDT

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        •  exactly (0+ / 0-)

          you haven't given a 'justification' of a bad deal, you've given an explanation. And as it happens, the GOP is good at picking must-pass items to make a stink about things they care about.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 06:35:54 AM PDT

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