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    we've been calling it a class war here since at least 2008, and that the democratic party is on the wrong side of it.  

    I'll wait to see if the official "vertical" states it that way, though I am encouraged by the staff put into this effort.  

    I so wish you were right, but sorry, clapping louder doesnt do anything in real life except confuse my dog. -dark daze

    by Nada Lemming on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 05:51:22 PM PDT

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    •  Those are the "wrong optics" as they saying goes (1+ / 0-)
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      Substansive discussion about class struggle would be more productive than the sloganeering as it would identify conflicts and common ground that can be the basis of produtive action.

      The criticism I would make of most of the "Class Warfare" discussions here is they seem to be very 2-dimensional,  insular and rooted in the reality of the 19th Century not the 21st.

      People need to look at the big picture a bit more to define the real prblems and how to approach solving them in different cases.

      How to unionize should be much different today than 50 years ago and the goals more universally applicable since the world changes fast and labor definitions fragment all over the map.

      Where unions have failed in the US is where they became elitist orgaizations representing the few instead of the many and becoming part of the problems not solving them.

      That is a fundamental I think may people see in a simple way that makes them conclude unions are not the way - and unless that probelem is solved they would be correct.

      When a union shop has 3 levels of contracts with a well-fed elite on top and newbies with limited prospects on the bottom, they start to mirror the structure they claimed to be fighting to change and delive little value to society.

      Some unions seem to recognize that problem and are working to change but the mainstream seems to be still stuck in a rut.

      UAW seems to be evolving is a good way but steelworkers is more of the SoS and might be doing more harm then good.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 09:14:07 PM PDT

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      •  New Unionism? I agree there's room to change (1+ / 0-)
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        I do think new models of organizing are needed: change and growth, tolerance for new ways of working, and work rules should be considered.

        In my small way, I am monitoring and chronicling these changes, with a focus on unions, working people, women and families. Please see: Union Maid on Facebook: and in newspaper format:
        Thanks for your interest!

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