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  •  Gotta love the American public (6+ / 1-)
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    Cut taxes and reduce the size of government but balance the budget and don't forget to build new roads, bridges, keep an eye on Wall Street, stop and punish big polluters, and hover over the sort of people who want to rip us off more closely, cut spending but give us all the social services we want and give us a really strong social safety net, cut taxes but give us all the social services we want and give us a really strong social safety net, and help give us jobs but don't do anything that might allow the government to do that.

    Oh, and find me a chocolate-covered cheesecake covered in a melted lard and dulce de leche sauce that curbs heart disease and helps me lose weight.

    You can phrase a poll question two ways to get two totally opposite answers from the same person in the same polling session about the same topic if you know how.

    •  you're missing a few (6+ / 0-)

      Cut services for "them" but not for me.
      Raise "their" taxes but not mine.
      Stand firmly on principles but compromise.
      It's vital to come to a deal, but only on the terms I like.

      Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

      by SottoVoce on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:13:47 AM PDT

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    •  My new favorite (1+ / 0-)
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      "Yes, we must curb entitlements", turns into "No, don't touch any entitlements" once the various entitlement programs are mentioned by name and people know what is at stake instead of just blowing Village-speak smoke out of their asses.

      I've got the Las Vegas Sun and the Las Vegas Review Journal to give me a stroke and an ulcer at the same sitting reading the polls.

      It's almost as if a great deal of people getting polled don't know what they are talking about, are wrong or misinformed about events and issues, and don't have the slightest idea what an entitlement (or whatever they are being polled about at the time) is.

      All they know that people on the tv said they were bad. Or something.

      Thank God for Nancy Pelosi.

      God Help us if anyone from Steny Hoyer to Heath Shuler was calling the shots right now in the House.

    •  Too bad we can't just let them see (3+ / 0-)
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      for themselves what would happen if they got their way and that evil gubmint went away for, say, 90 days.
      What an eye-opener that would be!  
      Can't do it, of course.  But it's so frustrating to hear so many people who don't know what they're talking about yelling at the top of their lungs.  
      Have we EVER had a congress so utterly uninformed before?  Have we ever had a congress so hellbent on doing something so self-destructive before?
      Standing by your principles, right or wrong, is one thing.  It's quite another to force an entire nation to drink from your poison cup so as to soothe your ruffled feathers.

      •  been there, done that (3+ / 0-)
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        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:27:57 AM PDT

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      •  there are none so blind as those who refuse (1+ / 0-)
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        to see; add to that you can lead a blind horse to water but can't make him drink which combine to explain the futility of trying to convince them of anything

        •  I suppose that if they were given their heads (1+ / 0-)
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          and got to see for themselves the results of their insistence, they STILL wouldn't see.  Somehow, it'd be all the fault of the DFH.  Again.  

          •  I highlighted this in APR this am (1+ / 0-)
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            from Cillizza:

            Cutting through all the numbers, the reality for many Republicans is that they simply don’t believe that we are on the verge of crisis, and it’s virtually impossible — given their distrust of the country’s major institutions — for anyone or anything to convince them otherwise.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:19:49 AM PDT

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            •  And that's what I mean by "Has this ever happened (2+ / 0-)
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              before"?  We've had senators and congresspeople who were idealogues before, sure.  But have we ever had a bunch of people so dedicated to ideas that have been proven wrong over and over and over again?  
              Confronted with proof that you've been mistaken, normal people change their minds.  These guys just double and triple down on the wrong ideas.  And they're dragging all of us over the cliff with them!

              •  more... (1+ / 0-)
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                As negotiations around the debt ceiling continue, House conservatives are continuing to argue that the Obama administration is overstating the threat posed by crashing into the debt ceiling – and are suggesting that any default will be because President Obama chooses to allow that to happen.

                On ABC’s “Top Line” today, Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, told us that the president can continue to pay bills that come due even after August 2, the date that the Treasury Department has said will force the government to being defaulting on its obligations without further borrowing being authorized.

                http://blogs.abcnews.com/...

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:47:59 AM PDT

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                •  They believe they can blackmail Dems (1+ / 0-)
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                  into giving them whatever they ask for, because WE will be the adults and avoid default no matter what the cost otherwise.  It'll be Obama's fault for not meeting all of their demands.  They've destroyed the very idea of democracy.  They're LYING to all of us..they know perfectly well what the consequences would be, and are betting on the Dems being responsible enough to keep it from happening..by giving in.  
                  There are only two choices here.  Either they KNOW this, and they're blackmailing criminals.  Or they DON'T know this, and are therefore way too stupid to be trusted with any decision, let alone one of this magnitude.
                  So which is it, Repubs?  Malice, or Incompetence?  Either way, you should be fired immediately.  

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