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  •  Maybe I'm missing something .. (5+ / 0-)

    I watched the video link and what I saw were the typical socialist whining tea baggers hold signs and telling the Move On folks to leave and the Move On folks left.

    I didn't see any 'thuggery' which to me means physical actions, verbal threats of violence or threats with weapons or bats ...

    Move On had a rally or meeting in a public Place, the park.

    Teabaggists had their own rally protesting the meeting.

    What did the TeaBaggers do that was illegal or threatening?

    Now then - I did not see the portion where they follow people home, THAT is extreme and I wish that were shown more.  Is there video of that?

    I live in Oregon and I must say that a gang of TeaBaggers seems to look like the same group in any State.   Flags --- cries of socialism and accusations that they are the only humans that have to work.

    •  I have to say that I agree. (4+ / 0-)

      Based solely on what was in the video I'm a little upset that the MoveOn group just up and left like they did. Of course if I had been there it probably would have turned into High Noon, so I may not be the best judge of things.

      If it's true that they followed people to their homes, that's just wrong and very scary.

      Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

      by NMDad on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 02:13:04 PM PDT

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    •  Some of the worst (10+ / 0-)

      stuff was (of course) not posted by the Teapartiers. Legal action, if it proceeds that far, will show some actions that I prefer not to discuss here. I know that's not a very satisfactory answer: "I know something you don't know"---but I have to limit it to that.
      In any event, they did disrupt a legal, peaceful meeting, and they did intimidate people enough to make them leave. Many of those people were still shaken the next day. Now, maybe a confrontation would have been better; I don't think so, but I'm torn. If these tactics work, there will be no end of them.
      Joe

      Dear Ayn Rand fans: Please, would each of you just go all John Galt, immediately? Thank you.

      by CitizenJoe on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 02:25:54 PM PDT

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      •  The problem? (0+ / 0-)

        "n any event, they did disrupt a legal, peaceful meeting, and they did intimidate people enough to make them leave."

        There is absolutely no law against this in a public place.

        None.

        I posted another comment there with a Westboro Babtist Church analogy.

        •  I'm sure your argument is not that (4+ / 0-)

          we should not object to behavior that is strictly legal, even if is intimidating and causes other people to lose the ability to enjoy a public place in peace, or any other rights.
          I mean, it's probably not illegal to say "Nice little story you got here. Shame if it burned down."
          I fully support the right of those homophobic Baptists, too, along with the legal right of the Tea Partiers to be in a public park; but I don't think they have a moral right to disrupt a peaceful meeting, and I am sure they do not have a right to follow people to their homes and do the things that are being alleged--and, once again, and I know this is unfair to you--that I cannot say in a public space.

          Dear Ayn Rand fans: Please, would each of you just go all John Galt, immediately? Thank you.

          by CitizenJoe on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 03:04:23 PM PDT

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          •  I think that (0+ / 0-)

            we should be able to sort things out.

            Many in the diary said the video showed thuggery and threats of violence. I did not see that in the video.

            To separate. The newspaper said one person was almost ran over at the house. It would be great to have that on video ... but even without video but with witnesses, that would be a crime.

            Parking or blocking someone's driveway? Is that trespassing? Did they leave when requested?

            I see lots of comments saying "Brown shirts! Nazi's! Thugs" but what I saw in evidence .. were the normal misinformed, old ... white tea baggists spewing their crap.

            NYC hard hats beat anti war protesters during Vietnam with bats. I saw some similarities, but I saw no bats here.

    •  In a public park, this: (3+ / 0-)
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      "socialist whining tea baggers hold signs and telling the Move On folks to leave"

      should not be happening. PUBLIC means it was paid for with taxes, and all taxpayers have a right to be there. "Right to be there" means no one should interfere.

      And who invited Karen Meier?

      Out in the west Texas town of El Paso...

      by falina on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 03:24:13 PM PDT

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      •  So any counter protest (0+ / 0-)

        in any public park would be illegal -- if you personally could have it that way that is. Since that is not illegal under any law now.

        Right to peaceful assemble means just that, for both sides.

        Which "side" has more people does not matter.

        Which "side" was there first does not matter.

        Which "side" is waaaaay dumber .. unfortunately does not matter.

        The Public Commons is just that. Unless local codes limit it

        I know that it is possible to "rent" or reserve space in Public space. If the space was rented or paid for that might make a difference.

        In other words -- as I said in other comments. It is not illegal to "disrupt" peaceful assembly ... by peaceful assembly.

        I saw nothing in the stupid tea bagger's actions in the park video that were violent.

        That some others say they have secret information on it. Tells me nothing.

        •  Perhaps you should brush up on your (3+ / 0-)
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          reading skills, Zappo. In the diary posted, there were no "protests" or "counter protests". The gathering was described as a "rally" or "meeting". And there are laws/ordinances about disturbing the peace in many places.

          Out in the west Texas town of El Paso...

          by falina on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 03:47:43 PM PDT

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          •  Actually .. it's a meeting .. (1+ / 0-)
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            Some park require a banner or identity for meetings .. some do not.

            It may be that law enforcement would have determined that the TeaBaggers were disturbing the peace, but they were not called and there was no complaint was there?

            My reading skills are fine --- how's your critical thinking going?

    •  Following someone on to private property? (0+ / 0-)

      You have no problem with that?

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 03:21:18 AM PDT

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