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  •  Oh, the irony (10+ / 0-)
    “We were there to find out what they had to say and to bring a notice to the public that this kind of thing was going on. Quite honestly, if they have it again, then we are really going to make it well known,” Raynor said.

    Raynor said the group believes MoveOn.org is a communist front and said he would not stand for America becoming a fascist nation.

    Sara Byers said she could not believe the meeting was targeted for protest. She said the group supports the middle class and wants to take back the government from the stranglehold of corporations.

    She laughed at the accusations of communism and said the two groups actually have more in common than people think.

    Not to mention

    Raynor maintained the tea party's goal was to attend the meeting and hear what the rival group had to say.

    He said the fact that they stopped the meeting and left proves they have something to hide.

    Sutherlin conservative Karen Meier said she posed as a MoveOn.org member and infiltrated the group's meeting prior to the confrontation. She said she found many of the liberals to be pleasant.

    “Obviously, they don't really know what MoveOn is and who it entails,” Meier said.

    •  My favorite sentence (8+ / 0-)

      She found many of the liberals to be pleasant. Just goes to show how polarized we have become.

      To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

      by kareylou on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 02:42:02 PM PDT

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      •  The 'we' of whom all has become polarized seems (2+ / 0-)
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        not so much to be liberals intent on being polite and pleasant and holding open conversations seeking consensus, but mostly those who are operating out of strongly motivated anger and focused hatred.  

        That said, our own ranks may include some angry people focused on hateful deeds and actors, but the majority still seems intent on using reason, rationality, verifiable facts, and dialog.  I'm not away of liberals who form 'action' packs and go attend their meetings with the intent to roust them from public areas.  If there were any, I'm sure we'd be on their case for adopting methods of the hard right.  So I think this 'polarization' is mostly a phenomena of right wing politics and supporters, and is reflected in right wing media, blogs, editorials, etc. as their current 'normal' state of 'outrage'.

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 04:19:44 PM PDT

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        •  surely you jest (0+ / 0-)

          I do agree with your comment re: Republicans vs. Democrats. I think Democrats are more civil to Republicans than the reverse.

          However---this sentence:

          liberals intent on being polite and pleasant and holding open conversations seeking consensus,

          makes me wonder what blog you have been frequenting.

          To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

          by kareylou on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:11:38 AM PDT

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          •  I believe the context I meant was 'in public', not (1+ / 0-)
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            the unique virtual world of blogs like DKos.  In other words, our personal conduct at a public PTA meeting, a county park or fairground, or other large gathering of people with diverse interests, is more likely to start off on a tolerant, non-threatening footing, and include attempts to make peace and understand hitherto unaddressed concerns of others, seeking reasonable resolution if possible.  

            It's quite a different 'social' context when it's just the individual and his/her keyboard against the world wide web. On internet blogs, people seem to feel free to bait, 'flame', deride, name-call, bash, pursue, hijack, bully, harass, lie in a way they would not in a true public physical setting.  I don't mind or shy from a spirited debate.  I do avoid the mean spirited ones and try to keep clear of trolls.  

            How we will ever recover a majority that insists on a true civility I do not know.  Enough of our citizens have become far too willing to divide ourselves into 'Us' and 'Them' where anything goes at the drop of a hat that it's hard to even get that consensus of civility.  Few would want to give up what limited anonymity we may have...and even so, some get 'outted' unwillingly by others with a personal agenda.  I choose to stop commenting or reading a diary when I feel what's being posted isn't illuminating or helpful.  

            When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

            by antirove on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 07:20:14 AM PDT

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            •  Great comment, thanks for replying n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

              by kareylou on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:14:28 AM PDT

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