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  •  that just gives people different reasons (9+ / 0-)

    to bitch and moan about me. ;-)

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 04:56:54 AM PDT

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    •  Your implication that liberals stayed home... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...in 2010 is a lie. The difference was independents.

      I know you'd rather blame the left. That is, after all, the Obama Party line, but that dog won't hunt.

      Pretty disgraceful on the front page.

      Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

      by expatjourno on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:11:52 AM PDT

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      •  I wouldn't say disgraceful...that isn't helpful (1+ / 0-)
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        Glic

        Given him a chance to respond to your assertion and provide the links.  IIRC you are correct, but why not focus on the facts.

        "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

        by justmy2 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:14:18 AM PDT

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        •  see comment below (2+ / 0-)
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          Kitty, skohayes

          those are the facts.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:36:01 AM PDT

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          •  Your comment below proves nothing of the kind. (2+ / 0-)
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            First of all, the apples-to-apples comparison is between off-year-elections, not between a presidential election with record turnout and an off-year election. So the statistics you cite are irrelevant.

            But you know that.

            Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

            by expatjourno on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 07:30:53 AM PDT

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      •  Well...... (4+ / 0-)
        "It's a protest toward the inefficacy of what Democrats have done with their power," the 28-year-old college psychology professor told ABC News. "They've controlled both houses [of Congress] and the presidency, and I thought they could have done a lot more."

        Never mind health care reform, financial regulatory reform, or an economic recovery package many economists say eased the recession. Worthy and voters like him, who were swept up by Democrats' message of "change" in 2008, have apparently been frustrated by Washington's slow progress and are now among the ranks of voters choosing to stay home.

        "Non-voters are far more Democratic in their political leaning, more likely to favor activist government, including the health care legislation, and more likely to approve of Obama's performance in office," said Scott Keeter of the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, which compiled a comparison of attitudes between 2010 voters and non-voters for ABC News.

        http://abcnews.go.com/...

        Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

        by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:20:18 AM PDT

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      •  first of all (13+ / 0-)

        are you pleased with the way the House turned out after the 2010 election?

        second of all, Democrats are not the left. I didn't say anything about the left. That's your projection. And in fact, "that Democrats are not the left" is a large chuck of what's wrong with your analysis. Liberals are generally 20-21% of the electorate and 40% or so of Democrats.

        third of all, we voted. We showed up. When we did, we voted D. But our usual voters and many of the 2008 voters who voted D did not, whereas the Rs did.  See chart for results:

        D's generally lead R's nationally by some percentage points (it fluctuates, so there is no fixed number.)

        conclusion:

        The study, which will be released Wednesday, found that turnout among underrepresented, Democratic-leaning groups — including African-Americans, Latinos, and young people — seriously declined when compared to 2008. However, the study notes that Latino voting actually surged in certain states, “helping Democrats win hotly contested Senate races in California, Colorado and Nevada.”

        In general, “2010 was the year of older, rich people.” Turnout among senior citizens was 16 percent higher than it was in the last midterm election in 2006 and they increasingly voted Republican. Though older Americans made up nearly a quarter of the 2010 electorate, they represent only 13 percent of the population. Similarly, the share of the vote skyrocketed for those earning more than $200,000 per year, and declined among those making less than $50,000.

        “Perhaps the most significant point about voter turnout in 2010 is how many voters didn’t vote,” McClatchy reports. “Some 38 percent of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2008, and this November, another 33 percent didn’t show up, which means that ‘nonvoters were the majority in 2010,’ the report said.”

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:35:41 AM PDT

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        •  You're interfering with a good persecution complex (4+ / 0-)

          Do you have a license to practice psychology?

          (Wonder if the 2012 Poll Taxes will keep the numbers down?)

          Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

          by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:42:07 AM PDT

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        •  I thought that your implied comparison was (2+ / 0-)
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          ... between hard-line conservatives and the left. Perhaps I was mistaken.

          However, while McClatchy may claim that the most significant point is low voter turnout, please note that turnout among senior citizens was 16 percent higher than in 2008, which is certainly a more significant change.

          But let's just say that Democrats got shellacked because their base didn't show up. The Republicans' base did. Has the Obama Administration learned anything? Apparently not, since it is still shitting all over the "sanctimonious," "professional" left, implementing voodoo economics and getting all pissy that the left is not on board with that.

          Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

          by expatjourno on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 07:43:46 AM PDT

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          •  well.. (2+ / 0-)
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            But let's just say that Democrats got shellacked because their base didn't show up. The Republicans' base did. Has the Obama Administration learned anything? Apparently not, since it is still shitting all over the "sanctimonious," "professional" left, implementing voodoo economics and getting all pissy that the left is not on board with that.
            ...that's a different issue, and worthy of getting pissed off about. I prefer Bernie Sanders approach, and I'd rather put my trust in Nancy Pelosi than the WH, but the trust is to get the best deal possible in a bad situation, not get me everything I want.  Just sayin'.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 08:41:39 AM PDT

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            •  You're being perfectly reasonable. I'm just... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...having a bad day. I think I'll go take a walk.

              Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

              by expatjourno on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 09:05:20 AM PDT

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      •  well not really. I think the BASE voted. (3+ / 0-)
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        I did. But I'm the base. I always vote.

        I even canvassed and worked my ass off trying to get people ready to vote and encouraging absentee voting for three to four weeks before the election.

        the BASE voted.

        many democrats did not.

      •  oh and BTW (3+ / 0-)
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        DemFromCT, skohayes, expatjourno

        it was a midterm and many people just rarely vote in midterms because they don't realize how important they are.

        My state, FL, is majorly screwed nit because party loyalists didn't vote. But because people who will vote in presidential elections don't recognize the need to vote in midterms and state elections.

        I canvassed the same neighborhoods in 2010 as I did in 2008. The people in those communities were NOT unhappy with Obama. In fact they had choice words for the GOP. I told them they needed to GOTV in 2010 and many just "didn't seem to get it". I tried to explain why it mattered. But in the end, many of them just didn't vote. It wasn't because they were pissed at Obama. It was because they don't (or didn't) see the importance of state, local and midterm elections. These were poor and middle class, mostly black voters, lifelong democrats many of them. They don't hand out on blogs. They aren't following politics as a hobby. They vote when presidential elections come up - most of the time.

        I have no idea where YOU are getting YOUR assertions, but my own face to face experiences in 2008 and 2010 are in stark contrast.

      •  But if you were to read certain regs' (2+ / 0-)
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        diaries on here you'd believe that the sellout/over comprising/everything hasn't happened in 2 years led to the 'base' staying home.  Or was that just an argument to increase leverage over policy???

        I do think liberals in the US suffer from the constraints of a political system that even prevents a party in contr10ol of all 3 bodies from implementing its will.  I think a parliamentarian system would much better suit their pursuit of uncompromised policy.

        Governing is not about taking every single political battle as an opportunity to vent about process or how the vociferous principled stand should be pursued even in the face of lower chances of success.

        1964 Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston, 1997 Masters Tiger Woods vs Field, 2008 Barack Obama vs Field

        by ZenMaster Coltrane on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:50:05 AM PDT

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        •  Ironically, the Democrats who are ANGRIEST... (0+ / 0-)

          ...at Obama for being such a sell-out are among those most likely to vote. Because we care about what happens. And we follow this stuff in obsessive detail.

          But a "bipartisan" schtick that blurs distinctions makes less committed Democrats and left-leaning independents feel like it doesn't matter who wins.

          So, sure, the Obama Brain Trust may up its theoretical "favorability" with independents and moderates with its squaring-the-circle policies, but at the price of giving them no particular reason to come out and vote -- for either side. And "theoretical" votes don't count on election day.

          OK, that is as good as I've got.

          Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

          by expatjourno on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 09:15:28 AM PDT

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      •  your comment is perfect (1+ / 0-)
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        expatjourno

        enough with the kid gloves

        we don't have that time to waste anymore

        the legislation cutting the social safwty net will be unveiled soon, next week probably, and there will be little time to react and there is little time to prepare

        people whose eyes aren't open yet are going to get run over by the train

        that's their own choice

        they are irrelevant

        please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

        by wbgonne on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 05:58:22 AM PDT

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