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  •  Wait, but what am I supposed (5+ / 0-)
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    to say to the deniers when we go through a week or two of record cold next winter? I'm sick of this complicated science being argued by people pointing at the thermometer on handful of days of the year.

    •  Wait, what? (13+ / 0-)

      Wasn't it lots of snow, not lots of cold, we were having?

      Truthfully, I go to work each day no matter what, and there comes a point where I just don't bother looking at the temperature or the forecast beyond "Wet falling from sky" so I could be remembering wrongly....

      But wasn't the big hullabaloo last winter all about tons of snow, and snarky comments about "Well, if it was colder then the air wouldn't hold so much water" which was an argument that was lost on idiots like bill oreilly and sean hannity.

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      by JayFromPA on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 05:04:06 PM PDT

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    •  More extreme weather. (3+ / 0-)
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      I know some people consider "climate change" mealy-mouthed, but I prefer it to "global warming" for precisely that reason.

      •  Manmade catastrophic climate change. (0+ / 0-)

        Dat's what I call it.

        But George Bush was right about one thing -- China could care less. We could be as right as rain and do all the right things and it won't matter.

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        by Bensdad on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 09:49:46 PM PDT

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      •  I prefer global weirding for the same reason, (1+ / 0-)
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        plus the unpredictability involved in how it manifests in the weather.

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 10:04:28 PM PDT

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    •  You say global warming creates.... (0+ / 0-)

      ...local weather extremes of heat AND cold.

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      by Bensdad on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 09:48:24 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, it fucks with the air currents. (0+ / 0-)

        Great Britain is colder than usual now, I guess, becuase they're getting more arctic air due to the melting up there.

        Eventually, everything gets warmer, but in the meantime, you have weird variations.

        Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

        by Bush Bites on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 07:23:27 AM PDT

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    •  By presenting them with the real problem (0+ / 0-)

      The problem main problem is not climate-change. The problem is the flight from reason. The essential job, as I see it, is to educate the public about the need for reason as a way of mediating issues. It's not perfect but gets you in the ballpark of possible solutions. For the right climate-change is a cultural flag--if you "believe" in climate change you are part of the other tribe and that's how much of the public sees things. To be sensitive to the environment means that you worship nature or you're weak and sentimental and not living in the "real" world and so on depending on how each person identifies culturally.

      There is no hope in agitating for what you and I would call environmental sanity--what could be successful is agitating for sanity.

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