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  •  how about we leave speculation to sci-fi (0+ / 0-)

    writers?  7 degrees C? Pulleeease.

    •  Yeah, Who Could Have Forseen? (2+ / 0-)
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      Humanity's epitaph.

      How's this for some speculation:  Maybe it will only be half that and that Mexico border fence would be a good vantage point to watch 80 million Mexicans die behind and kill the ones who try to make it over.  Because only a delusional fool would think ANY nation, adamantly Christian or not, is going to accept the flood of starving, drought stricken, heat trauma refugees fleeing for their lives.

    •  From sci-fi comes sci-fact!!! Guess you never (1+ / 0-)
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      read Jules Verne?  Better to learn and understand from fantasy what-ifs then wait until altered reality it hits you square in the face and there is little or no time to react.  

      If you enjoy being the frog in the slow-boil then vote Obama, else maybe it's time to turn up the heat. The frog may just jump out and save itself ala Wisconsin!

      by TheTruthIsOutThrere on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 09:18:40 AM PDT

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      •  Oh ok.. as long as we're fantasizing here (0+ / 0-)

        I'm betting space aliens come to our rescue..

        This is sensationalist bullshit.

        •  I suspect 60-80% of worlds population will be (0+ / 0-)

          wiped out this century due to global changes in climate, land changes, resource wars, famine, etc.  The remaining population may be able to figure out what to do on a world less stressed by humans.  Maybe.  This country  with so many citizens willfully ignorant, proudly so, will probbaly not survive in any fashion we would recognize today.

          If you enjoy being the frog in the slow-boil then vote Obama, else maybe it's time to turn up the heat. The frog may just jump out and save itself ala Wisconsin!

          by TheTruthIsOutThrere on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 12:33:27 PM PDT

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        •  So, what makes you say that? (0+ / 0-)

          Do you reject this because:

          You disagree with the climate models being used?

          You disagree with the assumptions being made to set the parameters for those models?

          You think some unanticipated phenomena is going to lead to a different outcome, and if so what?

          You don't believe climate change is a problem, or not that big a problem?

          You simply find it impossible to believe temperatures will ever rise that high along with the humidity?

          You don't think it can happen that fast?

          You think the understanding of human physiology underlying this is wrong?

          Well?

          These two researchers have gotten published in a  peer-reviewed journal. Subsequent vetting has not found any intrinsic problems with their work. Simply calling it "Sensationalist bullshit" is, to say the least, hardly a valid criticism. If you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to do better.

          "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

          by xaxnar on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:13:23 PM PDT

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          •  I disagree with the assumptions.. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm sure their model must be sound as far as it goes, since it likely was reviewed.

            The assumption we will rise by 7C is wildly sensationalistic, IMHO.  In the many decades between now and then and number of things can happen.. plagues wipe out half of mankind.. plagues wipe out half our food supply..  

            We plunge into an ice age..   It is highly more likely we are entering a new Maunder Minimum than that scenario.

            Any number of much more likely catastrophes could happen to lower drastically the number of people on this planet, and with them the need to be burning fossil fuels.

            The most likely scenario?  Working fusion reactors.  And that is on top of other renewable sources of energy already in the works.

            •  Thanks for the clarification (0+ / 0-)

              But I disagree with your calling it sensationalist. It appears to be a pretty straightforward extrapolation of the current understanding of climate change. The century - 7 degree rise is a worst case scenario of what their modeling suggests is among the range of possible outcomes - but if it takes longer, it's still something to be concerned about.

              If you read through some of the other comments here, you see people who are already experiencing short-term examples of the kinds of conditions they're warning about. Trends already suggest those experiences are going to become more common - and of longer duration.

              Citing events you think are far more probable does in no way diminish the point they are making. It's far more likely you could be killed in a vehicle accident in the near future than experience any of the alternatives you raised. But I'd appreciate it if you did what you could to deal with them in the time you have left. And fasten your seatbelt.

              BTW - practical fusion power may be a lot closer than you seem to think. There's a chance we may know within the next 5-10 years - if we can keep the idiots currently in power from completely wrecking the place.

              "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

              by xaxnar on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 05:02:49 PM PDT

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              •  I was predicting practical fusion as likely (0+ / 0-)

                sorry if my wording made it seem otherwise. emc2's polywell project stopped giving updates when the Navy started poring money in.. their nice small design would be perfect for an aircraft carrier!

                I guess my biggest problem with type of speculation is that I feel it promotes more despair than motivates action.

                To me, it still belongs in a sci-fi mag.

                •  Understandable (0+ / 0-)

                  Despair is pretty easy to come by - it's the one thing our political system seems to be good at lately.

                  "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

                  by xaxnar on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 05:37:16 AM PDT

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