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  •  It's not so much as there's a list... (16+ / 0-)

    of acceptable sites, but there is a rule against quoting from hate sites, which flows from the prohibition of making such comments here in the first place.  For example, since one is prohibited from engaging in anti-Semitism, it is reasonable to assume that anti-Semitic sites are prohibited.  That prohibition is an extension of the rule and other sites have been prohibited in the past for that reason.

    Please read our community letter and support our efforts to clean up this site.

    by Mets102 on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 04:59:08 PM PDT

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    •  Judgment: Quoting or citing the site... (15+ / 0-)

      ...should be limited to critiques. Whatever legitimate material the site publishes is tainted by the examples you've presented here.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 08:46:33 PM PDT

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      •  This judgment... (0+ / 0-)

        needs to be disseminated more broadly to inform individual Kossacks and group with interests in I/P. At the least, an attempt should be made to refer any Kossack citing Mondoweiss of this ruling before throwing HRs, since not everyone will have seen your comment here.

        Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

        by angry marmot on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 06:31:45 AM PDT

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      •  Very glad to hear that (4+ / 0-)

        Do you suppose Republican politicians hate people who work for a living because they've never done it themselves?

        by wiscmass on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 08:41:57 AM PDT

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      •  Thank you, MB. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      •  In other news (1+ / 0-)
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        crankyinNYC

        The Knesset has criminalized any support for the BDS movement.

        Were you inspired by their recent boldness to stand up for civility and stability?

        Are you also motivated by the desire to protect all of us and our baby ears from dangerous ideas?

        To label any subject unsuitable for comedy is to admit defeat. -- Peter Sellers

        by krikkit4 on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:53:16 AM PDT

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        •  you can get all of the dangerous ideas you want (6+ / 0-)

          just go click over to Mondofont.

          It's still there.

          All that has changed is that you can't clog our site, which has the mission to advance progressivism in America, with that nonsense that is orthogonal to the mission.  The same thing applies to birtherism, 9/11 trutherism, Creationism, and Republican talking points of all stripes.  Love and embrace them all you want, but don't do it here.

      •  Absurd, but expected (1+ / 0-)
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        No doubt IDF and Israeli government sites are acceptable, or the racist Jerusalem Post. I remember you claiming Jim Crow analogies were out of bounds, as if the Palestinians would be lucky enough to live under Jim Crow laws whose purpose was never the ethnic cleansing of blacks and the appropriation of their property. One of the team Shalom crew claims the lack of anti semetic language actually signifies antisemitism by its absence. All Deriddians no doubt. I imagine a total ban on the topic will follow so we can leave it to such fair and balanced sources as Nathan Bronner and the NYTimes to inform the public of Israel' s daily murder of Palestinians, which continue at the rate of one a day, every day, not counting the white phophorus  assaults or mass slaughters of Gaza.    

        •  Link? (0+ / 0-)
          I remember you claiming Jim Crow analogies were out of bounds,

          If that's a general policy, that makes a whole lot of African American Democrats whose words on the subject can't be linked or quoted on this site.

          It isn't nice to go to jail ... but if that's freedom's price

          by Rusty Pipes on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 02:30:51 PM PDT

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          •  Only to Israeli behavior (0+ / 0-)

            What other subject  or foreign country has the allowable or thinkable so circumscribed? it's a scam and a farce meant to restrict acceptable discourse on Israeli crimes to bland generalizations. I suspect many of us arrived at a more accurate picture of the holy state as a result of such mendacity, hypocrisy and outright bad faith surrounding the topic. they cannot argue the facts so what is left?

            •  Again, (0+ / 0-)

              Do you have a link to Meteor Blades' statement on the matter?

              It isn't nice to go to jail ... but if that's freedom's price

              by Rusty Pipes on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 01:04:19 PM PDT

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              •  iPad doesn't allow link (0+ / 0-)

                MB disclaims a ban but he did warn nathon or unspeakable about such a comparison. I reread The thread at the time and it is as I claimed, MB's interpretation notwithstanding. Thursday, may 22, 2010, in my comments section and you can trace the whole thing and see what you believe is the reality.

                •  Looking at Meteor Blades' comment (0+ / 0-)

                  from 5-22-10, it does not look like a ban on Jim Crow comparisons but on name-calling:

                  A warning was issued over comparing... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...another user to George Wallace because I think it amounted to name-calling. But no ban was issued regarding comparisons to Jim Crow. My comment you present above was an opinion, not a ban.

                  Few things are forbidden in the I/P diaries. Nazi comparisons are out as are statements or insinuations that other users are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers or enablers. That's about it. But name-calling of various sorts cranks up the invective.
                  I refuse to accept "no can do" as a proper slogan for progressives.

                  by Meteor Blades on Sat May 22, 2010 at 06:26:48 PM PDT

                  For the past six months, my sig line has linked to a Jim Crow comparison.  Many prominent African Americans, some of them Democrats, have been making Jim Crow comparisons with the situation of Palestinians for years.  Alice Walker, who was on the recent flotilla, and Angela Davis, who just returned from a tour with feminist women of color, have been writing about such comparisons in the past few weeks.  Just a few months ago, Cornell West expressed his support for BDS and made comparisons with the American Civil Rights movement.  This site would not be a good source for the reality-based community if those prominent Progressive voices could not be linked or quoted here.

                  It isn't nice to go to jail ... but if that's freedom's price

                  by Rusty Pipes on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 02:05:22 PM PDT

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                  •  I don't see the distinction (0+ / 0-)

                    most Israeli leaders are much worse than George Wallace so how is this not a de facto prohibition on Jim Crow comparisons? it achieves the same thing. I remember in the 70's that comparisons between Israelis and Palestinians were considered outside the allowable discourse as "moral relativism" as if the occupiers and thieves had the high moral ground. I suppose we have made slight progress in 30 years but of course the Nakba continues and given enough decades there will be nothing left to argue about except in the sense that like native americans, Palestinians have been badly treated but that's ancient history blah blah.

      •  MW is one of the Best sites on the web (1+ / 0-)
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        It is one of the few that has not given in to the angry posse of defenders of the indefensible, MW provides a living record of the slow, painful take over of the West Bank, the strangulation of Gaza, the colonialist-settlement xenophobic  movement that's taking over Israel, aided and abetted by the israel-right-or-wrong crowd in the US and elsewhere. true to the historical task that good jewish people took upon themselves throughout history, MW is bearing witness to a slowly advancing horror show, one in which the jewish people of this country are deeply complicit.

        By banning [parts of] MW the zionist hasbara does not want people to see, by taking sides with the ones who justify - or prefer to hide - the horrible things Israel is doing, the enormity of the human rights violations committed by - and supported by jewish people - MB - and DK have now taken sides. And in so doing open up the yawning gap that has been splitting up the progressive movement for a long time.

        I expect that whatever McCarthyte policies take over in in Israel - which they are - as we all see - they will seed off-shoots in this country, as they are in canada and Australia, and we, who care about liberal values and human rights, will have to stand and watch as reactionary forces rip what they helped sow..

        We, who resist the march of oppression and slide into the deepest darkness of the soul - the Conradian disintegration of morals and conscience now unfolding - should be prepared for what's to come.

        Unfortunately, the I/P issue has split the progressive movement already - and it is one of the reasons we can never have any real influence in this country. Just watch some of our "heroes" in congress and see them dangle, helpless, before the march of the know-nothing right. They - and us - and Obama -  will all continue to be be cowed, because we are split right  in the middle, because honesty and openness have been banished from our midst..

        When a progressive like MB seeks to tar - and bar - a truly progressive exercise in progressive discourse like MW, then we should know that the center - our center, the Bernie Sanders center - cannot hold. Our energies, our donations, our discourse will be sapped. And there, in the breech - the crazy shall walk among among us. Look to washington politics if you really want to see what rabid, israel-firstism has wrought. m

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