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  •  All an "official ban", as you term (7+ / 0-)

    it, means is thaits use as a citation on other than a disparaging manner is grounds for HRing the comment.  I really am perplexed by your insistence that this is some form of censorship.  It is merely the community recognizing the sorts of citations which are acceptable.  The Arden y of your defense of this "principle" seems misplaced, particularly from one who provides such a strong voice for the rejection of hate speech in your excellent diaries which bring readers to a better understaning of the misunderstandings of Islam which breed hate.

    Equality - I spoke the word as if a wedding vow, But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Bob Dylan

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 07:04:05 AM PDT

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    •  I don't know... (0+ / 0-)

      that my defense is all that ardent.  I'm just trying to get the point across that this is a slippery slope.  If Mets was arguing here for the ability of Kossacks to HR sources they deem racist, I'd rec this diary.  As long as such HR's were accompanied by an explanation, it would be a great thing that respects the intelligence of Kossacks and allows us to filter out the worst hate speech, such as what is highlighted in this diary.

      But that is not what he's asking for.  He has specified a particular site, not hate sites in general.  And for the record, MB's judgment on this means far more than that Kossacks can now HR those comments that use this source.  It means that use of that source can get you suspended and/or banned.  That makes it an "official ban" in my mind, hence my use of the term.

      How is banning such sites any different than banning a book?  The reasoning for banning a book is that its content is somehow damaging or dangerous to a segment of society, or to society as a whole.  The reasoning here is that this source is damaging or dangerous to a segment of society.

      I wrote the following on my blog, concerning the censorship by Cartoon Network of South Park creators and cartoonists Matt Stone and Trey Parker, who had received death threats from extremists due to their irreverent depiction of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

      Censorship invariably leads to more censorship.  Speech must be free, not just when we like what is said, but also when that speech is anathema to everything we believe to be right and good.  Perhaps even more so, in the latter case.

      Hatred exists everywhere.  The answer to that is not to suppress, it is to reject.  Drag it out into the daylight and beat the crap out of it...with your words.  Not tuck it into a dark corner and pretend it doesn't exist.

      Terror has no religion.

      by downsouth on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 08:32:25 AM PDT

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      •  Sorry, but you are wrong about Mets. (7+ / 0-)

        What he has in mind, from my reading, is simply an acknowledgement of one particular site amongst many others which are per se HRable when citing in a non-disparaging way.  The same that we would HR citations to Islamaphobic sites, homophobic sites, freerepublic., stormfront, et. al.  

        We are not banning the sites.  We are banning the citation of those sites as evidence of anything other than their hatefulness.  The distinction is important.  When people post a link to something on a hate site in order to back up their argument, they SHOULD be HR'd, because they are using hate sites to back up their arguments.  There are plenty of non-hate sites out there that provide valid arguments.  One shouldn't need to go to the hate/CT/RWloon sites in order to make a case on dkos..

        Equality - I spoke the word as if a wedding vow, But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Bob Dylan

        by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:51:42 AM PDT

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          You:

          When people post a link to something on a hate site in order to back up their argument, they SHOULD be HR'd

          Me:

          If Mets was arguing here for the ability of Kossacks to HR sources they deem racist, I'd rec this diary.  As long as such HR's were accompanied by an explanation, it would be a great thing that respects the intelligence of Kossacks and allows us to filter out the worst hate speech, such as what is highlighted in this diary.

          I'm done.  With this thread.  Though I'm beginning to question whether participation on this site makes sense for me anymore.

          Terror has no religion.

          by downsouth on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03:07 PM PDT

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