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  •  Don't know the Amy Winehouse story, but I (7+ / 0-)

    have known many addicts.  In every case they were self-medicating for psychological problems that went undiagnosed and untreated.  At some point maybe everyone will 'fess up about none of us being completely quite right and mental problems will lose their stigma.  

    •  And yet 12-step programs will tell you (1+ / 0-)
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      the substance abuse is the problem, and not the things--abuse, neglect, trauma--that led to it.  Which is probably why those programs don't work for a lot of people.

      •   I have criticisms (4+ / 0-)

        of the 12-step approach but I would never say those programs focus so narrowly as to only see substance abuse as the problem. In my experience it's the opposite, the substance abuse is seen as symptom of a much larger spiritual and emotional disease.

        It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing nothing, really doing nothing. - Gertrude Stein

        by Red Bean on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 01:27:42 PM PDT

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      •  Not my experience (3+ / 0-)
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        at all in over 20 yrs in 12-step programs, but perhaps yours is different.  I've learned that clean & sober is only part of my recovery - the rest is about taking responsibility for my actions, especially in relationships, and realizing that everything is part of my recovery.  I have to get up every day with a commitment to not let anything get between me and my recovery; constantly improve my relationship with my higher power, as I understand it; be grateful for all that I have; and, most of all, lead my life with tolerance and love.  All of this, and so much more, I learned from an incredible assortment of accepting people in 12-step programs.

        I agree that it doesn't work for some people and that there are many, many pathways to recovery.  But saying that in 12-step "they tell you that the substance abuse is the problem, and not the things--abuse, neglect, trauma--that led to it" really is misleading.


      •  I don't particularly endorse the 12 step (1+ / 0-)
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        program as it's been my observation that several of my friends seemed to replace the addiction with a reliance on the 12 step, I'm not sure it's supposed to work that way.  I saw the same thing happen with four friends who became born again Christians in the 80's to overcome their addictions.  It never made them happier or more functional, it just got them off of drugs.  

        It's taken me twenty five years to realize that the group I was running with in my early days was made up of all manner of depressed and bi polar individuals, and that it would have been a lot more helpful if our parents had been open to the idea of psychological help.  That would have taken recognizing the problems they had in  their own brains, which is of course how I came to this conclusion.  There is a time when people have to say "this ends here" and stop the denial that leads kids to think there's no other answer than drug abuse.  

      •  Also brain structure and chemistry, a lot of (2+ / 0-)
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        which is genetic (as a psychological root that can lead to addiction).

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