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  •  Nice try. They didn't need the fake teens anymore. (1+ / 0-)
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    Stranded Wind

    The fake teens were a liability, as they were fake. Their creator didn't want to be discovered. So the fake teens' handler cough*Pat*cough tried to take them off the table with the the pro-AW cover story, plus the threats by the fake mom to sue anyone who pursued that line. Which worked, for a while.

    It was only after AW refused to resign that they were brought forward again, to insinuate he had improper conduct with underage girls, which he did not.

    Tommy Christopher will be very pissed when he realizes who did that to him.

    •  what's that? (0+ / 0-)
      It was only after AW refused to resign that they were brought forward again, to insinuate he had improper conduct with underage girls, which he did not.

      Tommy Christopher will be very pissed when he realizes who did that to him.

      When's this, when the Nikki contacted Tommy Christopher?  If Nikki (or Nikki's handler, as you say) wanted to insinuate that Weiner had improper conduct with underage girls, [thanks for reminding us that he didn't]

      1) Why did s/he go to liberal Tommy Christopher?
      2) Why was there no insinuation of this by Nikki & her mom to Tommy? (in fact it was the opposite)
      3) Why did Tommy instead write the article that exonerates Weiner from such conduct?

      All of this was before Weiner resigned.  

      Only after Weiner resigned were they "brought forward again" as you say, by "Nikki's Dad"  who also didn't insinuate that Weiner was misbehaving with his daughter.

      So when were they brought forward again to insinuate?
       

      •  Go read Pat's blog posts from that time. (1+ / 0-)
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        Pat ramped up the underage allegations when it became clear AW wasn't ready to resign, right after he announced he was not hacked.

        You are right about the Tommy Christopher stuff. At that time, Pat wanted to dispose of the teen socks, so he made them liberals who would sue anyone who named them. Then AW didn't resign, so more pressure was needed and out they came again. Look at Pats posts btw the day AW announced he wasn't hacked and the day he resigned.

        •  "Out they came again" (0+ / 0-)

          Where did they come out?  Did Pat have his girls contact himself?  I don't see the girls ever "coming out" as you said.

          The info related to "Betty & Veronica" was all:

          1) In Mediaite
          2) What anyone else could find by searching Google or Yahoo archives of twitter activity.
          3) Analysis of 1 & 2 by bloggers & commenters

          I don't recall any other direct reporting where a person other than Tommy Christopher (and Gennette Cordova, if she ever commented on any of this during that time period) claimed to have contact with Nikki.

          I see articles in which Pat pokes holes in Tommy Christopher's logic & Aaron Worthing comments on Cordova's evolving story.  Turns out Pat was right about those holes.

          Are there links to allegations or to the girls coming out that I must have missed?

          •  See Pat's "Ethel" posts linked below. (0+ / 0-)

            Betty/Nikki is quoted. False insinuations made re Ethel.

            Follow the timeline.

            May 27 AW tweets, says he was hacked. Teen sting no longer needed, starchild vanishes.

            June 2 DMs from Mariaenela to Mike Stack published here at DK. Fake teens are no longer needed and handler doesn't want people looking at than, so June 3 Mediaite story claims they are liberals and warns they will sue.

             June 6 AW admits he lied about hack, Breitbart publishes photos. Now it seems he must resign.

            When he doesn't resign, Pat revives underage allegations, including quoting Nikki tweets, on June 9. Seems he is willing to risk calling attention to Nikki to pressure AW.

            AW then does resign, and only after that arr fake teens revealed as fake by NYT.

      •  Link to article (0+ / 0-)

        Pat's "Ethel" posts, his claim to fame. Fake teens referenced as if they are real, "Ethel" allegations later proved by cops to be unfounded. Posted after Tommy article but before resignation, June 9.

        http://patterico.com/...

        •  Thanks for the link (0+ / 0-)
          "Fake teens referenced as if they are real"

          Yes everyone thought they were real at that time, including Mediaite, which said that they had checked out as real people, & posts here at Kos.

          Again the tweets are real related to Ethel, who is a real teen.  She was engaged in repeatedly stating her love for Weiner and also for some naughty tweeting.  That was all possibly suggestive that Weiner may have been, given his habits, involved in the other side of naughty conversations or flirting.  So people were wondering what messages were out there that might implicate Weiner.  By people I mean lots and lots of people on that date, except for pro-Weiner journos who didn't want to find more info.

          Ethel quoted Weiner as having sent her a message that was very similar to one he used with his dirty-talking GF Lisa.  

          When the same tweets were reported in NYT, Mail UK & other papers, the "sh*t" and "Large, in charge" parts were selectively not included by the reporters.  A congressman apparently said "sh*t" to a real girl, according to her, but it wasn't reported, even when that congressman was in public disgrace.  Though I can understand that some people may have sensed the end was near for him already and that too much focus on the real Ethel just wasn't necessary.  Major media only found Tommy's reporting on Betty, etc., to be relevant once it was found to be errant and that whoever was behind those girls was, according to NYT, apparently out to sting Weiner.  No consideration was given to the most simple thinking through of the premise: you can't bring down a US congressman for talking to fake teens.  So if someone created the teens, they weren't thinking of meaningfully stinging the congressman.  Because it never would have worked.  People, especially Weiner, would have demanded to verify the teens, even if it was in private by the FBI.  And it would have been revealed as a scam, bolstering Weiner and making anyone who was against him or who had propagated such a theory look incredibly stupid & phenomenally, evilly partisan.  And that was the plan: tease a lurid tale to media that's stupid & biased enough to post obviously fake scams against progressive seats of power.  And then humiliate the same irresponsible media outlets once the girls were revealed to be entirely fake.

          Follow up article to one linked above:
          Weinergate: Ethel’s “Honey Mustard” Tweet Related to Boyfriend? Plus, Further Damning Details in that NYT Piece

          •  How's that LE investigation going? (0+ / 0-)

            This double-reverse-triple-backflip-Democrats-entrapped AW in order to get BREITBART story is delightfull. I think you should run that by LE. Pat did report all of this to LE, correct? What's the status of the investigation?

            •  Not double reverse anything.... (0+ / 0-)

              You guys asked for simple.  

              A fake girl who wouldn't & didn't fool anyone (remember, she didn't fool a 21-year-old college woman, nor the randy Rep from NYC, nor Mrs. Preston, nor her researcher, Ron, according to them (all the smart people...and I guess she didn't fool Breitbart & Loesch either, according to Tommy) was never much of a sting threat, was she? (But you insist that was her plan, further asserting it was Pat's plan.)

              In fact, she only fooled Tommy Christopher, his boss, Mr. Hall, 16-year-old Ethel & the smitten stripper. (I suppose  they're all technicallly someone, but none of them is going to pass an FBI employment exam, ever.)

              So she didn't & couldn't  fool anyone important.. Therefore the theory that her sock master's plan was to take down a congressman with this lousy attempt isn't simple, it's wishful thinking with no chance of working.  So maybe stupid enough for Lee Stranahan's theory of the angry ex-girlfriend who doesn't think things through, but Pat?  If Pat were involved in a stupid scheme like this (as you describe it), he'd have thought about it for 3 minutes before starting, and chosen a different scheme.

              So your idea of simple only possibly fits with the young, psycho-angry ex-girlfriend theory. Only she would hatch such a hopeless plot.  Surely Pat is a lot smarter than that, even if you never agree with him about anything.

              Oh, and I guess she had Pat & Stranahan and a mess of others fooled for a bit, based solely on the alleged verification that Tommy Christopher risked his reputation on. But we have to be able to trust when reporters swear that they know something is true & verified (dear Tommy did say that), I suppose.

              But maybe next time, not so much when the only ones who've contacted Deep Throat are the now-famous Mediaite investigative team of Chrisopher & Hall.

              As for LE (Law Enforcement), I'm with you.  I'd like to know and so would you and others.  

              Pat says it's being worked on.  Stranahan does too.

              Neither has said of late which LE is working or what part they're working on.

              Stranahan has said that BPD told him that it does not believe that any threats were really made to the woman who filed the report.  He seems to have said that that case is closed.

              •  Oh yes, Pat is way too smart for that. (1+ / 0-)
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                Stranded Wind

                Pat is a freaking genius, no way would he create an O'Keefeian plan to sting a Congressman, he is just too darn smart for that. When LE comes around asking questions that's what you should tell them.

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