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  •  In what way was Hegelian dialectics central (1+ / 0-)
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    to European fascist thought?

    Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

    by juancito on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 04:34:25 PM PDT

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    •  I Didn't Know That Would Be On The Final ! (0+ / 0-)

      Now I have to crack the books! I'll get back to you.......

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 05:49:38 PM PDT

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    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      Here's a bit from Karl Popper

      Marx, in opposition to Hegel, contended that the clue thwart history, even to the history of ideas, is to be found in the developmentof the relations between man and his natural environment, material world; that is say, in his economic life, and not in his spiritual life.

      He describes Hegel as a Platonist who emphasized national "spirit" and the supremacy of the state. In Popper's opinion, Hegel was basically a hired gun, used to counteract the revolutionary fever that spread across Europe after the French Revolution. Germans wanted a constitution, and Hegel "proved" that a nationalistic monarchy was far better. He was essentially a neocon. This required dialectics of the sort that is most actively seen in the right wing today. Anders constant Orwellian language and projection is dialectic.

      Someone will no doubt say I'm wrong, but that's what i've got off the top of my head.

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:47:42 PM PDT

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      •  you know that marx was a Young Hegelian? (0+ / 0-)

        It's a leap from Hegel as a conservative and monarchist to fascism, is all...

        Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

        by juancito on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 08:32:59 AM PDT

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        •  Then Marx Rebelled Against It Hegelianism (0+ / 0-)

          I mean being a Hegelian would have been more or less compulsory for a young Marx.  But being a Continental philosopher meant coming up with your own version of Dialectics.   (God, give some corny American Logical Positivism!)

          It's a leap from Hegel as a conservative and monarchist to fascism, is all...

          Not really, remember young Hitler was absolutely a monarchist, who would eventually be at war with the parliamentary ideals of the Social Democrats.  

          It's said Hitler's most sacred possession was an oil painting of Frederick the Great, which accompanied him for years.

          It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

          by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 08:42:57 AM PDT

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