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  •  Yes. Hence..."national"..."socialism" (0+ / 0-)

    as opposed to international...communism.

    Socialism is not, per se, a left only doctrine. Merely it's the democratic variety of socialism we are most familiar with, post WWII, with tends to be thought of as left leaning, and often is.

    However, there is a "Christian" socialism, in the form of governments run by Christian Democratic Parties, notably in Italy and West Germany, post WWII, which tends to be more a center right type.

    H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

    by Knarfc on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 12:04:06 AM PDT

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    •  By 1933 Socialists Were Being Sent To The Camps (1+ / 0-)
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      First they came for the union members....

      Hitler promised a war on socialism in Mein Kampf (1929).

      Also using your opponents word is classic dialectics ("Clean Skies Initiative").

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 12:10:04 AM PDT

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      •  socialism for me but not for thee (1+ / 0-)
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        Think of national socialism as an extension of Bismarck's welfare state, which was created for the purpose of heading off a real socialist revolution.  The state assumed responsibility for the welfare of German workers while allowing the private sector to go on as it had before. Orthodox internationalist socialism was very much a threat to the fundamentally nationalist Nazi project, but at the same time the Nazis had many programs oriented towards improving the lot of the average German, especially before the war started.  I know it sounds confused or cynical, but Lenin would have argued that it was the biggest threat to the realization of Marx's dream: the capitalists buying off the proletariat with everything they asked for while holding onto ownership and thus true power.

        Hitler's biggest rival in the early days was Ernst Rohm, the original leader of the brown-shirted stormtroopers.  Rohm pretty much explicitly advocated the disestablishment of capitalism in favor of an populist anarchy welded together by the organic bonds of the Volk - reminiscent IMO of what Marx envisioned as the final victory of communism.  Rohm and his followers were killed or marginalized because the German military and industrial establishment viewed him as a real threat - his being gay was just a convenient excuse - whereas they saw Hitler as someone who would ultimately protect their position in German society.

        Expecting better is NOT "white privilege"

        by Visceral on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 09:54:20 AM PDT

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        •  You Need To Tweak Your Chronology (0+ / 0-)
          Orthodox internationalist socialism was very much a threat to the fundamentally nationalist Nazi project, but at the same time the Nazis had many programs oriented towards improving the lot of the average German, especially before the war started.

          (Not counting the promises they broke)

          Once the enabling Act passed in March 1933, it basically became illegal to be unemployed. If you got fired, you might do a turn in a forced labor camp.

          It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

          by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 10:02:42 AM PDT

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