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  •  from your fighting Ds link (6+ / 0-)

    it says this is the "new" proposal being floated by Reid, et al:

    Democrats may reluctantly accept a last-minute compromise to avoid a default that involves up to $2.5 trillion in spending cuts -- without agreed-upon new tax revenues -- if Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are protected from the debt limit brinksmanship.

    ...The plan would place a firewall between entitlement spending and the threat of default, upsetting GOP plans to force deep, immediate cuts to those programs.

    My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

    by Cedwyn on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:34:30 PM PDT

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    •  Correct (0+ / 0-)

      The quote refers to what POTUS Obama tried to deal away.

      •  it's what obama put out there (2+ / 0-)
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        for the purposes of painting the GOP as wildly unreasonable.

        My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

        by Cedwyn on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 09:57:28 PM PDT

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        •  Cedwyn, I disagree with virtually everything you (1+ / 0-)
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          write at DKos, but I've always given you credit for genuine intelligence.

          You can NOT be stupid enough to believe that Obama put the big three on the table, opening a door that NO Democrat should have gone near, as some sort of play to make the GOP look unreasonable.

          Maikeru Ronin has been banned in defense of an unprincipled principle.

          by WisePiper on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:40:29 PM PDT

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          •  three points (0+ / 0-)

            thanks for the compliment!

            he put cuts to the holy trinity in play to get the GOP to agree to a little bit of taxes.  and they still wouldn't do it.  yes; he played them, imHo.  played them right up against public opinion and reality.

            the SS cuts he put on the table were small and apparently the proposal under consideration set a minimum SS benefit, which hasn't happened before.  no one can deny there is waste/fraud in medicare, etc.  so even if the GOP had accepted, it's not like we're talking about granny being on the street.  the depth of the cuts have been greatly exaggerated for the purposes of demagoguery.

            too late for the "no democrat should go near" challenge.  even dean says the programs need some adjustments.


            My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

            by Cedwyn on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 07:15:10 AM PDT

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        •  What Were They Thinking? (0+ / 0-)

          What Were They Thinking?  Elizabeth Drew asks in the New York Review of Books.

          Bobswern flagged her post and one from Paul Krugman discussing the "negotiations."

          I'm sorry I do not share a belief that the proposed cuts were not serious.  This was too close for comfort, and those of us who pushed back hard to Congress and the Senate deserve some credit.

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