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    and this stuff, which I don't fully disagree with you on, would have done little more than energize us, those of us already plugged in.  Obama has to take care of the entire country, and I'm arguing that's not the type of rhetoric the country needs in a time of such peril.

    All the acrimony on here should really be directed towards incapacitating the conservatives who want to ruin our country, not at the administration trying to save it...even if we don't agree on the details, Laurence.

    Notice a lack of personal attacks in my comments. I expect no less from you.

    by therehastobeaway on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 07:05:28 PM PDT

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    •  actually it is (10+ / 0-)

      because the republicans need to be put in their place, not enabled. and right wing economic memes need to be buried. and taking care of the country means taking care of it, not creating false compromises that will make things worse for the country.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 07:07:52 PM PDT

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      •  yes but that is for us to do, not the president (0+ / 0-)

        There are at least (I don't know, even if it's only half of us, it'd be) 150, 000, 000 people in this country who know the republicans need to be ousted, outed, and routed, and yet we spend so much time spinning our wheels in anger because Obama purportedly doesn't do it when in reality we're the only ones that truly can!

        How is that in any way rational, L?

        Notice a lack of personal attacks in my comments. I expect no less from you.

        by therehastobeaway on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 07:31:45 PM PDT

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    •  The only problem is that this won't save the (6+ / 0-)

      country. Any deal that cuts spending without raising revenue will damage the country. We're just arguing over the deal that will damage it less. Why he refuses to consider the 14th Amendment option, I don't know. The president and his inner circle are totally unwilling to consider short term difficulties that lead to long term benefits. See also: the tax cuts debacle. Yeah, our president is such a wonderful chess player that he caused this mess to happen by extending them.

      •  As i recall it (0+ / 0-)

        when those tax cuts were extended, there were solid reasons to do so, dealing with the economy or, if nothing else, the political realities of the time (which haven't changed all that much since then).  

        To say that this is the same as Obama causing this mess is shortsighted at best and not rooted in the facts.

        Because we all know what and who actually caused this mess, and you need not look further than the phrase "Bush Tax Cuts"

        Notice a lack of personal attacks in my comments. I expect no less from you.

        by therehastobeaway on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 07:34:22 PM PDT

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        •  There is no doubt in my mind Bush caused (1+ / 0-)
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          this economic calamity, but Obama's failure to rescind those tax cuts caused this debt limit crisis -- and pretty much every single deficit fight for here on out. Those tax cuts got us into those mess, ending them helps us get OUT of this mess - but they weren't ended, and that's reality.

          •  I can see how you might think (1+ / 0-)
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            this is Obama's fault.  

            I don't think I could convince you otherwise.  Anyhow, enjoy the rest of your week.

            Notice a lack of personal attacks in my comments. I expect no less from you.

            by therehastobeaway on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 08:20:40 PM PDT

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