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  •  another thing that rarely is talked about (1+ / 0-)
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    YOUGOTTOLOVEIT

    Property taxes.

    They have gone up and up over the decades, as the cost of providing local services and education has risen.  While you are in the work force, it is manageable, if not agreeable.  But once you have retired, and your income drops, these taxes remain the same.

    You realize that, even if your mortgage is paid in full, you never truly "own" your home.  You have to continue making payments on it, and if you are living on social security, those payments can become burdensome.  

    Many of these people, I'm sure, resent that burden, and then resent the various governmental services that those taxes fund.

    Think about that for minute.

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upwardly mobile." Hunter S. Thompson

    by Keith930 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 08:25:46 AM PDT

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    •  Taxation (0+ / 0-)

      I like that you raised the issue of property taxes.  Actually, I have a lot to say about taxes. My own views cannot properly be shared in a simple comment like this, as they are not mainstream ones on either side of the political divide.

      Trying to be as succinct as I can, I think nothing that is the fruit of one's own labor should, ideally, ever be taxed. Thus I am for a progressive and pragmatic abolition of income tax, business tax... and property tax if by "property" is meant the house that was built on the top of a piece of land.

      But since I believe that there should be a healthy government to protect the common good and the rights of the individuals, the government's income should be based on taxation of the use of the common property (e.g. land - a piece of our common planet Earth, natural resources, etc.) and taxation on the destruction/degradation of the common good (green taxes, taxes on pollution, etc.)

      So, in my ideal world, one would be taxed for the surface of the land that one calls "private property" but not for the buildings build on that land.

      But again: this is the short version and many details would need to be better explained.

      Another related problem, is the appropriation (e.g. by CEOs and corporations) of the fruits of labor of individuals (e.g. low-level workers are not given their fair share of the profits of the said corporations). With their fair share of the profits, retired workers would have enough savings to pay for the "land tax" I am talking about.

      •  I'd like to see a Dem proposal on property taxes (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm no legislator, so I can't be specific, but I think something could be done that would roll back property taxes at retirement age, if not eliminate them completely. This could be, I think, paid for by adjusting the mortgage interest deductions, and eliminating that deduction altogether for homes over a certain price.

        If the Dems could work out the details on this and propose it as a tax cut for middle income and elderly people, it would steal some thunder from the tea party movement.

        Let's not forget that TEA is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already.  I don't think the sentiment is so much to lower taxes for the rich as it is to lower their own taxes. and property taxes are probably in the forefront of their minds when they complain about the taxes they pay.

        The fact that property taxes are so clearly and directly linked to local government goes a long ways toward explaining the antipathy against public workers and teachers.  

        "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upwardly mobile." Hunter S. Thompson

        by Keith930 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:03:26 AM PDT

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        •  Good proposition (0+ / 0-)

          Haha! I think we're getting at at least one root cause. I think the democratic activists ought to dig deeper into what you said... You're on to something! :)

          Yes, I do keep in mind the meaning of the T.E.A. acronym. As I tried to point out above, my own point of view is not that we are taxed either too much or too little, but that we've got most (all?) of our taxes wrong: taxes that exist shouldn't exist and others that don't exist should.

          It'd be interesting to see how we could tie both of our positions together into a coherent, progressive package that'll satisfy the voters... I'll think more about it...

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