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    •  A basic deficiency in a timid strategy (6+ / 0-)

      That's what's reflected in the approach the Republicans are taking to beat Obama over the head. To avoiding making them mad, he's not given a completely honest talk to the American people.

      He might have smelled this coming and punched hard on the deficit he inherited from Bush, Bush and Reagan, as well as what the Recession was doing to both the debt and revenue.

      There have been times that I thought his strategy for individual battles bordered on being brilliant including the tactics the Democrats ended up using.

      But his grand strategy for attaining his goals, getting himself re-elected along with a Democratic congress fell apart early. Even given his timidity, he needed to recognize early that they were damaging reality with their propaganda on Obamacare, the deficit that supposedly failed, etc.

      The auto industry bailout was a major success and I'm not even sure it is going to help in the Car belt, what's left of it. How could he have done that without having a greater impact for good in the midterm election.

      This does not bode well for our future and the best we can hope for is that very rich will end up eating themselves with their ravenous greed.

      Too much of our strategy has resembled Poland trying to negotiate with Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, offering up one city after another in an effort to buy them off. The two invaders say us, hell, we want it all.

      •  A basic deficiency (1+ / 0-)
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        I have a question about this issue of the President's "timidity" -  I understand and share the frustration that he didn't take a harder line much earlier.  It would have been more satisfying if he had announced six months ago that he would veto anything but a clean debt ceiling increase, and just kept hammering on that.   My question is whether it would have made a difference.  I've seen idealogues and demagogues up close and personal.  They aren't rational and they don't operate in good faith.  From that perspective, this brand of Republican will never do the right thing, never respond constructively no matter what the President says or does.  Ultimately, they have to be defeated in the voting booth because there is no other tactic or strategy that works against hate-filled, irrational demagogues.

        •  I Agee with you (0+ / 0-)

          Except I think it would have made a difference in the 2010 elections,( and can still make a difference in the 2012 elections) in that if he had spent more time punching Republicans for their lies and obstructionism, and less time punching hippies he might have kept enough of his base voters to overcome the enthusiasm gap that kept so many Democratic voters at home.  That you can attract more bees with honey than with vinegar is true of voters, too.

          •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

            It's hard for me to play armchair general here, but whatever they did was ineffective. Truth was that they got a lot of good legislation, especially from the House and I didn't see them using it.

            Obama saved the American car industry and it was turned into a negative. All I know is that there was a campaign to be conducted that wasn't and it's hard to tell why. Maybe it was the success of the waiting game in 08.

            But he's making a big mistake by calling some of us ultra left and silly shit like that. Goddamit I'm 67 and he's not a lot older than my oldest kid.

            I'm just an old southern liberal die hard FDR supporter who for a time gave the south a brighter picture and without challenging race as I wish, there wouldn't be such a fertile bed for the right wing GOP without the South now.

            It's easy to forget that were it not for the Deep South, FDR would have lost control of both House and Senate in 1942, the invasion of North Africa coming about a week too late to swing things -- but he didn't try to push it up. Roosevelt did a super job in 1942 with us winning the decisive Midway battle and taking on the German Army in Africa, driving them out despite rocky patches. Imagine that, six months after the war started, GOP war carping continuing, the Navy won the one essential victory in the Pacific and in less than a year after Dec. 7, we landed an invasion fleet on a hostile shore.

        •  fair question (0+ / 0-)

          He has his moments when he's clearly not timid.

          Where I think he is timid is in dealing with the primary program of the GOP which was to completely derail his presidency which has led to a whole serious of really dishonest attacks that have sometimes gone unanswered or unanswered for two long.

          I don't think any president ought to have to prove he's an American, but he was effective on that at a good time, but it was a useless drag on the presidency for too long.

          These are extraordinary times. I thnk they're misreading the tea leaves and have a huge lag time built in. Right now, I think the American people based on polls are saying where they're willing to go and what they want. Saying they want compromise doesn't mean both sides have to give up, but there's no reason in the GOP. Trying to be post-partisan is really hard, but I agree the circumstances are unusual. But if he can't get control of his presidency, we'll find that there will never be a legitimate democratic president in my lifetime.

    •  Joan always deserves tips & recs (0+ / 0-)

      even though she is a front pager.

      A few days ago, someone wrote a diary claiming that front pagers were somehow underserving, bc they don't always get a lot of explicit recs.  IMHO, people didn't bother to rec not out of indifference, but bc they assumed it was redundant.

      There's no such thing as a free market!

      by Albanius on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 01:05:06 PM PDT

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    •  Keep the calls coming in (0+ / 0-)

      I think it's important to call people like Speaker Boehner and whip Kevin McCarthy, maybe even Eric Cantor to register disapproval.  But I also called Michele Bachmann's office and praised her for OPPOSING Boehenr's plan.  It's worth calling Jim Jordan, Joe Walsh and a few of the other Tea Party types to urge then to oppose Boehner's plan because it doesn't cut enough, so that the plan fails in the House and we get a chance at something better.  Apparently calls are still coming in strong today, but it is uncertain on what side.

      All numbers easily findable at www.house.gov and there  is always www.speaker.gov as well.

      The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

      by Mimikatz on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 01:32:27 PM PDT

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