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  •  Snits (0+ / 0-)

    I haven't heard there being a whole lot of negative blowback from anti-gay folks and the Archie Comics spokesmen have said that the response to Kevin has been largely positive.  Perhaps the Ms Grundies are too busy getting their undies in a twist over DADT and Gay Marriage to notice what's going on in the funnybooks.

    Frankly, Jughead's never struck me as gay as much as uninterested.  "He hasn't discovered girls yet" is one way I've heard it put.  Of course, I didn't become seriously interested in girls myself until much until I was well into puberty, so my own experiences skew my perceptions a bit.  But I can't say you're wrong about Jughead either.

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    by quarkstomper on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13:43 AM PDT

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    •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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      Well, the thing about Jughead is that it's not just that he's uninterested in girls, he often acts repulsed by them. It's not just Big Ethel - she's no looker (neither is Juggie, of course) and he's horrified by her relentless chasing of him. But even with the other girls, he shows almost on interest and is clearly angry with Archie for the amount of time he spends chasing after then and doesn't understand. I suppose it might be a 'bros before hoes' sort of thing, but the way he goes on sometimes, it does seem like he has a crush on Archie.
      Not that there is anything effeminate about him - he's kind of a slob. Reggie is more of a pretty boy than anyone else in the strip.

      •  That's "girls are icky" which is a fairly typical (1+ / 0-)
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        pre-pubescent and early-pubescent attitude in straight males. All it means is that attractions haven't kicked in yet.

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        by ebohlman on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 11:31:43 PM PDT

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        •  It Can (heh heh) Go Both Ways (0+ / 0-)

          I think both are valid interpretations of the character.  As I've said, I personally lean towards "Jughead thinks girls are icky" rather than "Jughead is gay".  And I'm pretty sure that the publishers of Archie never intended Jughead to be gay.  But y'know, sometime the creator of a work is himself oblivious to the subtext he's created.

          Please bear in mind, I'm only an occasional reader of Archie Comics and can by no means call myself an expert Jugheadologist.  I can't even remember what his real name is.  (I think it's something like Fordyse Q. Jones, but I don't recall exactly).

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          by quarkstomper on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:31:30 AM PDT

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          •  Jughead (0+ / 0-)

            Jughead's real name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones III. I am sure the publishers didn't intend him to be gay and in recent years have even flirted with giving him a girlfriend - one named Joani Jump of all things, but the fans didn't like Juggie with a girlfriend and so the publishers ditched her.

            •  The Forsythe Saga (0+ / 0-)

              Ah, that was the name I was trying to remember.  

              One of the few Archie Comics I own is one doing a "Bill & Ted" riff where Jughead meets a cute Time Cop from the future who tells him that in the future he is regarded as an important figure in Riverdale history.  It is implied that the girl is a descendant of Archie's, which makes her flirting with him a little weird.  It was a fun story, though.

              I've read that there was once a story which explained that Jughead once had a crush on a girl back when both were much, much younger.  The girl's family had to move out of town, and losing her turned him into the lovable misogynist we all know today.  But I've never read that story myself and I don't know how much other writers have followed that bit of continuity.

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              by quarkstomper on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 09:20:54 AM PDT

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