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  •  I had a friend, years ago... (22+ / 0-)

    who had a job in a bookstore and also worked part time as an exotic dancer.  I remember her once explaining how in the bookstore, she got grabbed a lot.  The manager used to make a point of going through narrow aisles with he just so he could get close under false pretenses.

    Working in the clubs, however, no one was allowed to touch her.  The very second a guy tried to get his hands on her, a fairly big bouncer was coming at him and escorting him out.

    I don't know what this says about our society, but it sure ain't good.

    "The first rule of pillow fight club is do not talk about pillow fight club." --Keith Olbermann

    by Julie Waters on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 03:19:32 PM PDT

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    •  My job as a dancer (18+ / 0-)

      was the one where I received the least sexual harassment, out of all the jobs I held while presenting as female.

      The one that holds the honor of "most harassment": shift supervisor of an aircraft maintenance shop on a carrier in the Navy.

      Oh, by the way, to the guys with the good fortune to have been born with dicks: Get rid of all your "hot dominatrix boss" fantasies of what it's like to be on the receiving end of sexual harassment. There's nothing special about women that makes them not enjoy things you'd enjoy. There's nothing sexy in the least about the power games - they're designed to make the person on the receiving end feel humiliated, weaker, powerless, less-than. Workplace harassment of women is basically analogous to fraternity hazing...except that it doesn't stop.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 03:45:19 PM PDT

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      •  Yes! Exactly (8+ / 0-)

        Thanks for sharing.

        "The first rule of pillow fight club is do not talk about pillow fight club." --Keith Olbermann

        by Julie Waters on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 03:52:38 PM PDT

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      •  My husband is a retired Navy vet. (11+ / 0-)

        He also worked carriers--but before women were allowed on board them. Had you worked for him, he'd have stomped hard on the penis of any man who was harassing you. In fact, after moving to P3s, he basically told the guys who worked for him that there would be no jokes about rape or ethnicity or religion or race in his shop--unless the person telling the joke belonged to the group being ragged on.  A Babay Chief, newly-minted, tried to tell him he couldn't do it. He found the reg that stated they should all be meeting professional standards of behavior and treating each other with respect. CHief steamed but had to shut up--especially since the  Divison O agreed with my husband.

        He did however draw the line when a female sailor got born again and decided they should all put a quarter in a jar  any time anyone swore.  He told her if SHE wanted to do so, fine, but the rest of them hadn't become fundamentalist Christians and didn't have to conform to her religious beliefs.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 08:36:41 PM PDT

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        •  FUCK do I hate anti-profanity types (3+ / 0-)
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          Almost always, they're far more concerned about the most superficial sort of "civility" than they are about not dehumanizing people, which can be done entirely without any "naughty" words.

          Fundie xtians are the worst. The Ned Flanders façade hides so much repression and hostility. Give me blunt, profane, but fair-minded people any day of the week.

    •  A friend of mine when we lived in (6+ / 0-)

      base housing had been a cocktail waitress where her uniform was a thong, pantyhose and bra. To get decent tips she put up with a lot of groping and grabass,  When there was an opening, she auditioned and became a dancer.  There, no one could touch her onstage, and when she came out she was fully dressed in an evening gown anf gloves--and no one was allowed to to touch her (they didn't do lap dances at the club).  She made one hell of a lot more money and she didn't comw home with bruises.  She said all she lost was the small bra which she traded infor pasties. Used the money to put herself through nursing school!

      And her husband was fine with it.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 08:31:28 PM PDT

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