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  •  ??? (11+ / 0-)

    What are you suggesting?

    There would be nothing UNconventional about the Administration and the DOJ publicly acknowledging the threat, leveling with the people about the seriousness of the threat and devoting more resources to rooting it out. But let's not go all uber-Patriot Act here. Conventional tactics are adequate to the task - they just need to be employed (without regard to the inevitable right wing hissy fit).

    Maikeru Ronin has been banned in defense of an unprincipled principle.

    by WisePiper on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 07:44:46 PM PDT

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    •  It'll be more than a hissy fit (7+ / 0-)

      It will ignite a wave of violence by the right if they're the subject of the sort of scrutiny that they need to be subjected to. They will go full blown nuts. What "conventional" response to that would be appropriate.

      "On this subject, I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation." William Lloyd Garrison

      by HoratioGalt on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 07:48:24 PM PDT

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      •  The threat posed by right wing "patriot" militias (22+ / 0-)

        is grave - no argument there. But I'm an old fashioned liberal. IMV the Patriot Act and its sweeping power to indiscriminately impinge on ALL of our traditional freedoms is NOT the right response.

        What's LACKING in our efforts to combat this extremism is public awareness of the breadth and depth of the threat. These motherfuckers running around the woods with assault weapons and camos, advocating "taking back our country", need to be held up to public condemnation and ridicule.

        If they "go full blown nuts" in response to the light being shown upon their traitorous behavior, then that will have to be dealt with appropriately.

        No rational person believes the constitutional route is easy. The "easy" path, however (warrantless wiretapping, warrantless searches, preventive detentions, Star Chambers, giant indiscriminate data combing, etc.), is a far greater threat to the nation than the freaking militias.

        Maikeru Ronin has been banned in defense of an unprincipled principle.

        by WisePiper on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 08:11:08 PM PDT

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        •  I agree. It only justifies (6+ / 0-)

          what they believe they're starting a militia for. "Teh libruls r taking mah guns and mah 4th amendment rites!"

          "Warm smell of Moulitsas rising up in the air..." -seanwright

          by GenXangster on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 09:53:34 PM PDT

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        •  It's worse than that, of course (1+ / 0-)
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          The fact is that the "easy" path of abusive, dictatorial behavior is:
          (a) never actually used against the fascist right-wing terrorists.  Maybe it would work if it was, but it isn't, perhaps because anti-fascists are not attracted to those agencies for the most part.  I suppose if we had statist Communists they might use it, but we don't.
          (b) isn't really very effective in the first place, because so much of it is scattershot panic and incorrectly targeted.  There is no advantage over plain old ordinary police work, arrests, imprisonments, etc., and there are many disadvantages.

          Well, actually there is one advantage.  The dictatorial Star Chamber stuff works against people who have already wormed themselves into positions of power, such as Antonin Scalia; people who are already above the law because they control the law.  But of course problem (1) comes up again, nobody is willing to actually use these powers against such people.

          Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

          by neroden on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:23:03 AM PDT

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