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  •  well none of that is reminiscent of an (0+ / 0-)

    'uncompromising' position on ANYTHING.  that's my point.

    choose your words more carefully, is my advice.  

    "I'm Black and I'm proud, I'm ready, I'm hype, plus I'm amped/ most of my heroes don't appear on no stamp!" ~Carlton Ridenhour

    by mallyroyal on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:09:27 AM PDT

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    •  Well, the record seems to indicate (0+ / 0-)

      that he was pretty goddamn steadfast.  The actual compromise position of that time was the Crittenden Compromise (yes it was actually called compromise!) which sought a middle ground between abolitionists and slaveowners. Lincoln could have jumped on that had he been in impartial arbiter like Obama, but instead he fiercely opposed it. Even though he knew it probably would mean civil war. Look it up. Read up on Lincoln's actions at the Peace Conference of 1861.

      Lincoln defeated a rebellion, ended slavery, and cemented his victory in place by amending the Constitution.All in 4 years. You'll be hard pressed to compile a list of presidents equally as transformative, including the current one.

      Seems to me the president should be careful with comparing his debt ceiling negotiations with Lincoln at war.

      •  I'm not denying he was antislavery (0+ / 0-)

        I'm saying he did indeed compromise.  his war powers act didn't free all slaves, true or false?

        "I'm Black and I'm proud, I'm ready, I'm hype, plus I'm amped/ most of my heroes don't appear on no stamp!" ~Carlton Ridenhour

        by mallyroyal on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:31:44 AM PDT

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        •  True. (1+ / 0-)
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          He didn't have the power to free all the slaves. Had not the South rebelled, he probably wouldn't have had the votes to pass a Constitutional amendment. But there was no shortage of compromises on the table. Lincoln opposed all but a few. The one that had the most bipartisan support, Crittenden, he actively worked to defeat even prior to taking office. It was as President-Elect that he defeated it.

          Again, it was the state of rebellion that allowed him to do what he did with the EP. Prior to the EP, Lincoln declared martial law throughout the south. That allowed him to do as he pleased in places where the military was the law. In places where there was not rebellion, he didn't have the legal authority to free the slaves. That wasn't a compromise position. That was just all he was able to do under the law. He was called a dictator and an extremist for those actions.

          Again, the EP was not a negotiated settlement between opposing parties. It was a military edict imposed unilaterally pursuant to the President's war powers.

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