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Ammon Bundy is a liar.  I don't know if Bundy lies because he lives in a fictional world that only exists in his mind or if he lies because his brain-cells do not fire correctly so he's unable live in the factual, real world or if he lies because he was taught to be a GD liar by his thieving welfare-king father, Cliven Bundy.  I'm thinking it's the latter: Ammon Bundy lies because he was taught to be a GD liar by his thieving welfare-king father, Cliven Bundy.

Not to be outdone by their pretend battle they're fighting against the US Government, the Bundy family are now talking about a pretend lawsuit they're waging, in their minds, against the US Government.  They want us to believe they're going to file a new lawsuit against the government for ... what?  Oh, let's let Ammon Bundy tell us in his own words what their new pretend lawsuit is about.

In the taped conversation (above) Ammon Bundy explains what their new pretend lawsuit is about by spewing lies and deceitfully and on purpose botching and cherry picking words from the US Constitution so as to fit his (their) thieving agenda.  

(Timestamp 5:50)
BUNDY: ... there is a real healthy debate whether this land is yours [United States] or this land is the State -- whether it is US Territory or the State's and you're [U.S] not going to come in here until that debate has been -- been -- worked out.
That is a lie.  There is not a "real healthy debate whether this land [Bunkerville Allotment] is" the People's Public Land.  In fact, there's no "debate" at all because in the factual world the Bunkerville Allotment, that Bundy is trying to steal, is owned by the entire People of the United States and that's why it's called Public Land.  

The thing is, Bundy knows he is lying through his teeth when he says that because Cliven Bundy tried and failed to "debate" that issue in several Courts and the Courts repeatedly gave Bundy the legal facts that proved he is wrong.

In October 2013, the Federal Court told Bundy, in their ruling, in writing the legal, Constitutional facts which disprove Bundy's BS rhetoric:

The Court finds that Bundy’s objections to the United States’ Motion, many of which have been disposed of in prior proceedings, are without merit. The Court has stated unequivocally on numerous occasions that it has jurisdiction to hear this case, and that the Allotment is owned by the United States and managed by the DOI through the BLM and the NPS.

Bundy’s repeated suggestions to the contrary are entirely unavailing.

~excerpt of Federal Court order (link here)

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Ammon Bundy goes on to explain the new pretend lawsuit is for the People, not the Bundy's themselves:

(Timestamp 7:44)
BUNDY: it's [pretend lawsuit] not just the Bundy ranch or the Bundys.  It's not even just the people that stood with us ah -- from ah -- raised gun - umm- it's about the freedom of America and restoring the Constitution and ah -- restoring these principles of - of - freedom in our land and in our country and that is what it's about. Ya know we -- we have a fundamental ah -- um -- ah -- I guess disagreement in our conscience about suing the Federal Government 'cuz who are we suing if we sue the Federal Government for money I guess is what I'm sayin? If we're suing the Federal Government for money who will ultimately end up paying that bill? Ya know but -- and so ya know we don't want that.  But what we want is -- we want it right and so we're exploring that avenues that we -- we must take and can take to set this on the right path so that the American people can restore and preserve their freedom.

First I want to point out that Ammon Bundy just admitted his goons raised weapons against Federal agents "It's not even just the people that stood with us ah -- from ah -- raised gun" and that proves the Bundy's are lying when they knowingly falsely claim they no one raise guns against the Federal agents.

Second I want to underscore the cunning deception Bundy is trying to pull.  In order to garner the People's sympathy and support, he is cunningly and deceptively pretending that they (Bundy's) have a monetary claim against the Federal agents who were carrying out a Federal Court order against Bundy ... but ... but ... Bundy wants to falsely project that because they looovvve the People so much they are willing to forego that monetary claim and continue to fight a lawsuit that they've already lost, several times, on behalf of the People, not the Bundy's, but the People ... which is complete BS.  

The fact is, the Bundy's are self-righteous, narcissistic thieves who don't give one damn about the People and that is evidenced by the fact that they've been stealing the People's public land for two decades.  And none of the Bundy lawsuits, past or future, had, nor will have, anything to do with "restore & preserve" freedom and everything to do with keeping the lawsuit alive, in Courts, so as to continue steal the People's public land.

In fact, the Bundy's care so GD little about the People that they do not even recognize the People's Government even exists.  

CLIVEN BUNDY: "I don't recognize the United States Government as even existing"

~Cliven Bundy April 2014

Ammon Bundy goes on to falsely claim the Sheriff and Governor had authority over the Federal government.
(Timestamp 9:46)
BUNDY: ... Yeah well I mean it comes -- if you reverse ah - the fault --if you will and you look at the origins of it one is: who is the aggressors -- who is always been the aggressor, who is the one who is doing the wrong? Ah-- that is the Bureau of Land Management, the Forest Service -- ya know these Federal agencies.  They've been preying upon the People for years and years and years and years.  And everybody knows that it's wrong -- everybody knows it's wrong. But yet somehow they keep posing that it's legal and they get more and more -- and still more and more and literally choke the economy and freedom of the People and finally -- and everybody's goin 'When?  When is somebody finally gonna stand up --When is somebody finally gonna stand up' -- And finally someone stood up right.  And ah -- and then - and made a stand  and ah-- then were left to themselves when it comes to the local government to defend themselves.
That is a lie.  In the case of Bundy stealing public land, the fraudulent, insincere Bundy's have always been the aggressors.  That comment Bundy made, "who is always been the aggressor" goes way back ... like over a hundred years back.  

The Bundy family has loathed the United States government ever since Utah became a Territory when his great-great grandfather, Dudley Leavitt spent ten years hiding from federal officers charged with apprehending polygamists ... so ... in the Bundy family's psychotic minds, the United States became "the aggressor" when they wouldn't let Bundy's ancestors engage in polygamy and hunted him down to prevent him from violating laws against polygamy.

Ammon Bundy spews lies about the State owning the Bunkerville Allotment

BUNDY: And thank goodness the People came in.  And then -- now after it's all over they wanna make it look like the People were the ones that were in the wrong.  No! If the Federal government hadn't been there - if they understood their Constitutional boundaries they would-a never been inside that State.  That's State land and those -- those grazing issues would of been a County issue [WTF] and would of never been an issue at all actually and ah -- they [BLM] wouldn't have had any rights ta come in there with guns and ah -- ah -- try that on the American people.
That is a lie. The Bundy family knows damn good and well that the Bunkerville allotment is not, and never has been "State land."

More lies and loathing of the United States with false "sovereign citizen" mumbo-jumbo mixed in.

(Timestamp 11:55)  
BUNDY: Well yeah it is absolutely but -- but see our rights and every right that the government has comes from the individual.  We have the right to protect our life, liberty and property first and then we give a little bit of that right to the County, and the County gives a little bit of that right to the State, and the State gives a little, teeny part of that right to Federal government and that's all the rights that they have. They have no more.  They have -- they have -- ah -- ah -- artificially created this power and now they're actually comin down upon the People.

That is a lie.  Bundy knows he's lying because he knows he cannot point to any part of the US Constitution that grants "sovereign citizenship." Bundy also knows, through the Court rulings, that the US Constitution "created" that power and so Bundy knows he's lying through his teeth with his "artificially created" BS mantra.  

Anyone who graduated 2nd grade knows that the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land which means Bundy is lying when he falsely claims the State cedes and "gives a little, teeny part of that right to Federal government."

Ammon goes on to lie and claim the Federal agents are in direct violation of the Constitution.

(Timestamp 13:06)
BUNDY: I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to do that. I believe in the Constitution -- I believe that it was inspired by God.
{{clap}} {{clap}} {{clap}} kudos to Bundy for fraudulently proclaiming the Constitution was "inspired by God" -- clever attempt at drawing out the righwinged fanatical religious zealots to come-a-runnin to his side.  

But, in factual world, the US Constitution was actually "inspired by" three prominent European philosophers: John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau who had written extensively about the role social contracts could play in forming an advancing a civilized society.  

Ammon Bundy intentionally deceives by pretending the Enclave Clause of the Constitution bars Federal public lands.

BUNDY: And I also believe that if we were to abide by it [Constitution] strictly that all these problems would be resolved.  So in Article 1 Section 8 ah -- we wrote down ah -- in ah -- Clause 17 -- and it gives the outlines of what the Federal government must do to own land inside a State. Ok and those ah -- those requirements are first they must purchase -- or they must have ah - consent from the State Legislature meaning the State Legislature has ta give them permission to buy the land.  Second they have ta purchase it.  And third they can only use for the erection of: forts, magazines, arsenals, stockyards and other needful buildings.  So those are the three -- the only three things -- ar -- three -- the three things that -- ar -- the Federal government must do in order to own land inside a State and they can't own public land, there's no place for it in the Constitution.

That is a lie a huge lie and, again, Bundy knows it is a lie if, through no other sources than the actual, real US Constitution and through the many Court rulings issued to Bundy stating that the Bunkerville allotment is the People's public land.

As a matter of fact, Politifact gave  Fox New's rightwing, nut job Judge Andrew Napolitano a "Pants on Fire" for telling that same GD lie:

"The Constitution simply does not authorize the federal government to own any of this land. All of it is being held unconstitutionally and all of it should be returned to the private property owners from which it was taken or to the states in which it exists, period."

~Fox New's rightwing, nut job Judge Andrew Napolitano May 2014

Bundy knows, as Courts have pointed out to Bundy, that the Federal Government owned that land before Nevada became a State.  And, Bundy knows, Nevada is ceded land that was ceded to the United States from Mexico before Nevada became a State.

Also, Bundy knows, as Courts have point out to Bundy, Article I Section 8 Clause 17 has nothing to do with Federal Public Lands already owned by the People in new States and deals solely with the location of the US Capital and purchasing additional -- additional -- land. Additional land that was not land already owned by the Government for forts, Arsenals, stockyards, and other needful Buildings.

Land that is already owned by the United States prior to a State entering the Union is not equal to purchasing land and therefore, as Courts have pointed out to Bundy, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 does not apply to the Bunkerville allotment.

Ammon Bundy leaves out key words to justify his family's theft of Public land

BUNDY: Ok also so what they do is they claim it as ah -- US Territory ok.  They say 'Well it's not State land it's US Territory' even though it's inside the State and even though the State became a sovereign State ah -- when it did. So they say that it's a Territory. And in Article 4 it describes the authority that they -- if it is a Territory -- that they have.  And that's Article 4, Section 3 "Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting Territory and nothing in this Constitution shall so construe."
What makes that a Bundy lie is Bundy intentionally deceives by willfully leaving out words.   The entire Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2 (Property Clause) states:
Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2 (The Property Clause)
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

First, Bund left out the last 14 of this sentence, "nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state." Those last 14 words illustrate that Art 1, Section 8, Clause 17 cannot be used to "prejudice any [land] claims of the United States.

Second, Bundy is fixating on the word "Territory" as a means to deceive people into chanting 'Nevada is a sovereign state not a territory' which is why Bundy intentionally left out the words: "or other property belonging to the United States."  

BUNDY:  So they wanna say that it's Territory so that they have all the power to make all needful rules and regulations.  So we know it's not Territory, we know it's the State's land.  The land has been given ta the State and therefore they did not pay for it, they did not get consent from the State Legislature ta have it. And they're not using it for the right purpose.
That is a lie and Bundy knows it is a lie.  Bundy knows full well that "the land was" never "given" to the State of Nevada.  In fact, Bundy knows damn well that Nevada Constitution acknowledges the Federal Government owns, and owned that land, when their legislators wrote in their Constitution that they would never to lay claim to that land.
Nevada Constitution:
"the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated Public Lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States."
Third, Bundy is lying and he knows he's lying when he falsely says the Federal government "did not get consent from the State Legislature ta have it" as I just pointed out that the State Legislature did 'consent' that the United States owns that land when they wrote their State's Constitution.

Still pushing the sovereign citizen crap.

(Timestamp 16:09)
BUNDY: And so we stood in front of those people knowing that our Cons -- that we were right according to the supreme law of the land which is the Constitution.  We knew they did not have authority there and they did not have jurisdiction. They had no right to be there.  They had no right ta bring their policing power and their armies in.  They had no right ta throw us on the ground.  They had no right ta taz us.  They had no right ta throw my brother on the ground and put their boot on his head while they're rubbin his face in the gravel. They had no right ta put their arms and weapons on children and they had no right to threaten the American people when they stood up against them. [what fucking planet is this dope from?].  Because they -- the Constitution outlines what rights they do have inside the State when it comes to the land.
That is a lie and Bundy knows he is lying because the Federal Court order against Bundy clearly states that the Federal government does have jurisdiction and the Federal government has Constitutional authority to use force to enable Federal agents to carry out Federal Court orders and that authority was first pursued by President George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion.

As I said, the Bundy's do not now, and never have, given one damn about the People.  Bundy's lies and defiance of U.S law and decades-long theft of grazing on public lands is a flip of both middle fingers to the People and to every rancher who responsibly pays fees for their use of the public lands.

The Bundy are GD liars.  They lie when they say:

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887.

That is a GD lie and they know it.  They know damn good and well that their 'great grandpa' never, ever, ever bought any rights to the Bunderville allotment which is why they never produced any such documents in any Court case.

From Bundy's conversations and actions, I am convinced that the Bundys lie with malice and intentionally deceive the People for the sole purpose of stealing public land.

Cliven Bundy and his deadbeat crew are insurrectionists and domestic terrorists. They are armed thugs who never learned how to get along in society without violence or threats of violence. And while they "want their Constitution" they disavow almost everything in the Constitution.  

Article 4, section 3, clause 2 (Property Clause) of the U.S. Constitution gives the U.S.Govt powers over federal lands "and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States".

The Constitution of Nevada states that: "the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States."

So, how many constitutions do the Bundy's plan to overthrow?

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