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and this is part of the reason for Clark's demise.
He said Clark is basically running resume ads.

I went over to Clark's website and saw a few ads that discuss issues.  So I have no idea what Luntz is talking about.

It appears O'Reilly, Luntz and Scarabrough had it out for Clark tonight.  They want him finished for good.

Originally posted to ModerateLiberalCA on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 03:01 AM PST.

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  •  Oops (none)
    Luntz said Clark has no issue ads.
  •  Ayup (none)
    The Right's pundits have it out for Clark.

    I can't figure out if it's because they just view him as a disloyal general who has gone political against our government (a devastating thing to Wingers if your name isn't Ollie North) or if they "fear" the guys canidacy.

    This time around, the revolution will not be televised.

    by Demise on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 03:05:04 AM PST

    •  Imo (none)
      They fear his candidacy.  Clark's a much better general candidate than primary.  And his occasional gaffes are nothing compared to W's daily gaffes.  Clark takes away the re~election strategy Rove has been planning since after 9/11.
      •  Give me a break -- (none)
        GWB fears nobody - he really believes that he is great.  And Karl Rove doesn't work that way.  He merely looks for how to grind out a point here and a point there until it adds up to a win.  

        Clark is merely trying to run on foreign policy and in the absence of any experience will be leaving domestic issues on the table.  (And he ain't all that hot on foreign policy either since he too believed that Saddam had WMD and advised someone to vote for the war.)  Kerry and Edwards think that they can leave the Iraq Invasion on the table and merely run on domestic issues.  Wake up DEMs -- anybody that can't stick it to GWB on both domestic issues and his illegal war in Iraq has no chance to beat him.  (God, didn't anybody learn anything from the 2002 elections?)

        •  Was there anyone who thought (4.00)
          Sadaam didn't have weapons??  The question was whether the wmds posed an urgent threat and how much the Admin hyped the threat.

          Rove wants as easy of road as possible.  Kerry may be the easiest road to travel.  

          As for the 2002 elections, W. had 9/11 coattails.  He was untouchable at that time.  The country would have rallied around a trained chimp at the time.  Wellll

          •  Was there anyone who doubted WMD? (none)
            Yes, I for one.  Little ole me who only had access to information that everybody could read and think about.  Little old me who knew that Saddam had been militarily ravaged by two wars and was under financial contraints for twelve years.  Little ole me who knew that biological weapons aren't all that easy to develop.  Little old me who wondered what would happen if Saddam admitted that he was essentially defenseless to all his neighbors.  Little old me who listened to Scott Ritter.

            If I can ace a test that the pros fail, then the pros aren't very good, now are they?  

            •  Well (none)
              You're smarter than 99.9% of the world then. : )
              •  It wasn't the world that thought (none)
                he had WMD but the US and Tony Blair.  And even in the US that number would be more than 0.1%.  But even if it were that small, I should not be able to suss out something like this better than the pros if they are worth their salt.  Clark failed this exam, and since it's his major calling card, why is anybody impressed with him?
              •  She may be... (none)
                but I think a good portion of the world had considerable doubts about the Bush claims, particularly based on the reports of the U.N.

                We're going to the golden arches our life's so perfect it glows - Graham Parker

                by PSoTD on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 08:37:43 AM PST

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          •  Hrm.. (4.00)
            I didn't think Hussein had WMD and I didn't have a CIA to go find out for me.

            My belief came from watching the Bush administration's actions and speech over the past year and keeping an ear on the mostly ignored voices that were coming out against administration policy (ever hear of Scott Ritter or some groups, like the ex-CIA group that came out were hardly covered or dismissed as "nuts" or "Ellsberg wannabes").

            Why this level of distrust? Because I knew what I was dealing with. Trusting George Bush is like trusting a clepto with your house keys while yer on vacation. They knew they had no hard evidence so they SPUN IT over and over and they connected 9/11 to Hussein in speeches AGAIN AND AGAIN to top it all off.

            Powell's speech to the UN had me eating my words to some friends way back in Feb 03 but then a week later UNSCOM released a report blowing Powell's claims out of the water. That didn't matter though, the damage was done.

            Moderate Democrats have to realize something now before it's too late- the Republicans aren't "nice" by a long shot. They will lie and spin almost anything to get there way and use any methods possible (one example, redistricting).

            There is no chance of BIPARTISANSHIP under the Republican Regime in D.C. (another example- the Medicare Drug Plan vote). Democrats need to start standing up for themselves and energizing the Americans who are being hurt by Republican policy.

            This time around, the revolution will not be televised.

            by Demise on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 03:36:29 AM PST

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          •  me (none)
            I didn't buy it for a second. I thought there might be a few old, degraded stocks of CW, but nothing posing a clear and present threat to anyone. I've personally seen nothing surprising in the reports that have come out about the lack of WMD found. The evidence they were showing us was so circumstantial, the whole "we have evidence that we can't show you" claim was so thin, I never bought it.

            This whole 'everybody thought he had WMD' meme is insidious. Very few people I know believed it, but everyone thought everyone else believed it - which is why, when I got into arguments about it, I had so much trouble shifting the point from "why do you want to leave Saddam sitting there on a giant mountain of NBC weapons pointed at Los Angeles" to "why don't you think there are any weapons" - regardless of what people believed, they couldn't seem to accept the idea that plenty of people didn't believe it.

            •  The media... (none)
              That's why.  Most people opposed the war till the troops actually went in, and then they had to "rally behind the troops" (which is a load of shit if there is ever one, if a war's bad it's bad, doesn't matter if our troops are there or not).  But, anyway, now the media has brainwashed people into thinking everyone was for it, when they weren't.  They all think they're the only one who was opposed, but it's not true.  

              The media is extremely powerful only because most people are stupider than bricks.  

              Feel free to disagree-- it's your right to be wrong!

              by Asak on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 06:04:01 AM PST

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        •  GWB fears EVERYBODY (none)
          Cowards always do.  They bully when they have power, and they cower when they fear it is being stripped away.

          I wonder what spiderhole we'll pull Georgie Jr. from for his bus ride back to Texas.

          Let's never forget we are American patriots first, loyal Democrats second, and presidential candidate supporters third.

          by rusrivman on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 03:31:36 AM PST

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  •  JFC! (none)
    Drudge has another negative story on both Dean and Clark.  

    Karl Rove says to Kerry, "bring it on."

  •  Frank Luntz and Joe Scarborough (none)
    Are both Republicans: Frank Luntz is a Republican Pollster and Joe Scarborough is a former Republican Congressman.  Is it any wonder they're bashing the Dems?  Clark's probably just the one they chose this week.

    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. -John Stuart Mill

    by Kaushansky on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 03:44:03 AM PST

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