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Every criticism, every statement should fit into that frame because it is the only accurate frame.  

Our criticism must go beyond the "quibbling" about details, it must attack the concept of this war.  Details can be argued forever, the action/reaction game can be played indefinitely - that is for the most part what is going on now.  

They are far from incompetent, their accomplishments are major by any measure, if you look at it from the perspective of their overall plan.  All criticism that does not attack the illegitimacy of this war plays right into their hands.

We have created an environment of war, for us to be upset when fighting breaks out in a war zone is only venting.  As wars go, this one has not been that difficult for the Americans - if you want to know what a difficult war is read about the German-Russian War of 1941-1945.

Our modern sensibilities are appalled at what is happening and the loss of life on both sides, but in the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Neocon mindset it has been very successful, the losses are all well within acceptable levels.  They are, after all the ones making the decisions, not us.  

The inescapable fact is they are imperialists, they wanted control of the area, they established it fairly easily.  We need to pull back from the dramas of the day and hit them on the overall framework.

Imperialism is the "elephant in the room" few are willing to discuss publicly.  If Kerry can't say the word, get Howard Dean and others to do it.  Have it be an epiphany for them, looking back at what was said, then what was done, then what is planned, leads to no other conclusion - we did it for control of the region (and it's resources), we have no intention to leave.

They clearly desire escalation and will continue to take actions towards those ends.  We need more troops?  Well darn, I guess we will have to send them (wink, wink).  We need to spend more billions?  Yeah, got to, gotta support the troops (wave flag here).    

Those poor high-spirited Iraqis can't get along, we HAVE to stay there until we can sort things out for "those people".  They aren't used to governing themselves - Saddam never let them, the bastard.  Better put up some permanent bases, our boys can't sleep in the sand every day you know.

We spend hours parsing their spin, proving it to be lies, all the while their overall plan is given short-shrift, "tin-foil territory" treatment.  As some have said "We are changing the world".

Originally posted to Wally on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 06:25 PM PDT.

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  •  Perspectives welcome (none)

    "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

    by Wally on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 06:25:28 PM PDT

    •  Epiphany as I use it is defined as ... (none)
      A sudden manifestation of the essence or meaning of something.

      "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Wally on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 06:44:18 PM PDT

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      •  Imperialism's Official Definition (none)
        imperialism -
        Im*pe"ri*al*ism, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.
        Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

        "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

        by Wally on Fri Apr 16, 2004 at 07:58:59 PM PDT

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  •  Has it occurred to you yet that (none)
    Kerry genuinely supports the (truly) illegitimate invasion and occupation? He voted for it. And he says he wants to stay the course.

    His record and statements on Iraq under Bush II have of course flip-flopped wildly, but between the war vote and now, the one consistent picture that emerges of Kerry is that the Iraq invasion and occupation are A-O-K with him.

    So in other words, the reason that the illegitimacy you rightfully perceive in the occupation is not being attacked by the Democratic Party is because the party establishment, largely, does'nt agree with you or - more likely - has important allegiances representing lots of money and power which preempt their caring about little old you and I.

    •  New name - "Kerry has an Epiphany" (none)
      Would that please you, if he saw the light and he is appalled by such blatant imperialism?

      "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Wally on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 06:40:53 PM PDT

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  •  backward looking (none)
    It doesn't matter whether the war is legitamate or not at this point.  We have to be forward-looking.  It's fine to critisize what BushCo has done but Amurika isn't goint to listen to us unless we explain how we're going to do better.

    By far the most important issue in politics is campaign finance reform.

    by jbrians on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 06:31:55 PM PDT

    •  That's what they want (none)
      They want us quibbling about details, all while we are utterly powerless to do anything to change the situation, while they proceed full-speed with their agenda.

      It is more than criticizing what they have done, it is criticizing what they are doing, not only in the detailed (matter of opinion) sense, but in the conceptual framework.

      "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Wally on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 06:38:39 PM PDT

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    •  how are you going to get justice? (none)
      Justice to me is kicking these guys out of power.  The way we accomplish that is as I describe above - not by simply yelling about how we arrived at the current situation.

      By far the most important issue in politics is campaign finance reform.

      by jbrians on Thu Apr 15, 2004 at 11:16:07 AM PDT

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      •  Justice? (none)
        Not sure what you mean by justice in this instance.

        Here is an example of what I am trying to get across -

        1.  We need to move more troops into Iraq, supporting our Army until we meet success.
        (This implicitly validates the war, reinforces the belief in a fairytales - success is possible, and escalates the carnage, Bush needs to do more war)

        2.  We need to call what is being done in Iraq what it is - Imperialism.  Invading and controlling other countries for their resources is wrong and we need to take steps to give up American control of the area. (This states the war is totally illegitimate, we must measure our actions by the control we relinquish, not what we do to escalate the carnage, Bush do less war, Iraq and UN take more control)  

        "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

        by Wally on Thu Apr 15, 2004 at 12:24:18 PM PDT

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        •  we want the same thing (none)
          More authority for the UN and a commitment to nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          By far the most important issue in politics is campaign finance reform.

          by jbrians on Thu Apr 15, 2004 at 03:11:16 PM PDT

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          •  Definition of Progress in Iraq (none)
            We must measure progress in the control we relinquish to other responsible parties, not in the control we gain by escalation of the war.

            Yes, we want the same, we just need to establish the framework we work for it in.

            "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

            by Wally on Thu Apr 15, 2004 at 04:03:38 PM PDT

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  •  Well home front about to get (none)
    dicey again...just as the blood flows and flows.

    Cordesman said today (I have not googled for a news article) that BushBaby will have to ask for 70B quite soon.

    Somebody better find words to deal with this.  Because the issue is getting forced, and everyone saw it coming.  In money and in blood.  And I think the condemnation over Fallujah is about to hit. And then our handmaiden Sharon, yes words need to be discovered.

    •  How can we address a problem when ... (none)
      We can't even say it's name?  Imperialism!  It feels good to say it, sort of like a release.  

      We could have various leaders start saying it, discussing it, educating others on it.  Later, after the groundwork was laid, even Kerry could say it - epiphany (with appropriate grave solemness of course).  

      No flip-flopping after that, just attack the war for all of it's wrongs - he would be free too!

      No need to worry about any epiphanies in the Bush administration - could not happen.  They will pretend to suffer while asking for the money, in reality they will be laughing all the way to the Treasury.  More feed for the hogs (theirs).  The lily-livered Congress is in a trap that it help set - gotta support the troops!  

      But, that will mean cutting social programs - maybe the neocons will have a bake sale.

      The triumphalism with Sharon today was surely a nadir in American History, I cannot recall a more shameful time for America.

      "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Wally on Wed Apr 14, 2004 at 07:55:16 PM PDT

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