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(From the diaries -- kos)

The GOP is now calling on John Kerry and John Edwards to condemn the "obscenity-laced remarks" of Whoopi Goldberg at the gigantic Radio City Music Hall fundraiser last night.

Without a hint of irony, the GOP placed this crap on their website today.

Shorter GOP:  "A performance venue is no place for the kind of language that Vice President Cheney uses on the floor of the Senate."

They really are too stupid for words.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:00 PM PDT.

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  •  turkee recommendations (4.00)
    accepted here

    "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you... Now watch this drive." George W. Bush

    by DrFrankLives on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 12:03:07 PM PDT

  •  Yeesh... (none)
    Hypocrisy isn't uncommon, nearly everyone does it.  But when people like this thrust this hypocritical shit without even batting an eye and feel justified over it...well, that makes me cringe.  THis whole god damn administration has been built on unabashed, unrepentant hypocrisy, and it's just maddening.

    'Liberal' Is Not A Four-Letter Word

    by Kryptik on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 12:07:52 PM PDT

  •  Did they (none)
    ever consider that W.Goldberg might have gotten some of her remarks from a 'visitor' to the Senate floor?
  •  Kerry's a vet (none)
    People who serve in the military get a free pass on swearing. I bet even Emily Post would agree. Cheney on the other hand, is fucked.
    •  I'm a vet (none)
      and that has always been my handy excuse for my foul mouth. And it's true -- I did pick it up while serving.
      •  Oooh, not me (none)
        My drill sergeant was a very well-mannered guy. I remember one time he made us toe the line and harangued us for like twenty minutes 'cause some guy farted in the bay: "It's all right, privates. Human beings pass gas. But you WILL show basic respect. You WILL be polite about it. It isn't that hard to leave the room. You WILL leave the room if you gonna pass gas."

        He would not have cared for random fuck/shit cursatin'.

        "Nothing is built on stone; all is built on sand, but we must build as if the sand were stone." - Jorge Luis Borges

        by adamgreenfield on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 04:10:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Fairy tales (none)
          begin "Once upon a time" war stories begin "Now this ain't no shit" Once upon a time the SCOTUS selected a compassionate conservative president; now this ain't no shit...

          "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

          by johnmorris on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 09:28:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Cheney-ed (none)
      You mean Cheney-ed!

      This is a clean blog

      "That government of, by, and for the people shall not perish from the Earth."

      by TheGryphon on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 03:54:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Devils Advocate (4.00)
    Devil's Advocate:

    It wouldn't hurt any of these entertainers to bleep out the cursin' ONE night -- not that it bothers me, etc. but from a political-theater kinda perspective- its like making sure the Republicans arriving at the Convention drive the Lexus instead of the Beemer.  

    They could have even made a joke about it-- "We don't say that type of thing- go freak yourself".

    No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky gonna mother hubbard soft soap me, with just a pocket full of hope. Money for dope...Money for rope... --Jo

    by jgkojak on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 12:15:17 PM PDT

    •  Either that or... (none)
      Kerry and Edwards will have to scrutinize the guest list or just lay down the law about what can and can't be said. I to suggest people stifle themselves, but when it's an official fundraising
      event, the SCLM is out there in full force. And if a fave conservative dartboard like Whoopi, or Bette Midler, or Babs or Sarandon is speaking or performing WATCH OUT.

      If we want the undecideds to see Kerry as presidential, we're going to have to ask those around him to act presidential as well. At least until November 2nd. After that, Babs can open- mouth kiss Bette and the Dixie Chicks while singing Juvenille's "Back that Azz Up" for all anyone cares.

      Why, is that Don Rumsfeld? Nah. Can't be. The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

      by Jank2112 on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 12:53:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I doubt anyone cares about Bette Midler. (4.00)
        She can't even muster up the courage to oppose the FMA. She's nobody's hero.
      •  OH PLEASE (none)
        stop letting them define what we can say, do, penetrate, buy, exclaim, believe, support, marry, explore, write, portray ....

        My god .... we have to stop giving ground in the culture war. It's gotten us nowhere. Their hypocracy gets a 'buy', and ours gets plastered on the front page and CNN/Faux. We need to shout back. We're about freedom. We're about feeding your children. We're about a roof over your head. We're about dignity. We're about tolerance.


        The world is on its elbows and knees, It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds. Armageddon days are here again Matt Johnson

        by Madman in the marketplace on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 08:39:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  What are we so afraid of? (none)
        Sure, we could ask the Whoopster to keep it down, but how much of this is "inappropriate behavior" and how much is it the SCLM just "looking for shit".
        Isn't the first amendment one of the things we're fighting for?
        •  Even Money (none)
          Bet if the whole show went in prime time the vast majority of the electorate would love it. I for one want to hear Whoopies Bush joke. (and John Cougar's Thug song would probably cinch Ohio)

          "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

          by johnmorris on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 09:32:02 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  I don't get it.. (none)
      A Lexus is a Japanese luxury car, a BMW a German luxury car.  What's the diff?  
  •  Googlebomb Ed Gillespe, RNC, Republican, etc... (none)
    with a link to a Cheney F-Bomb story

    Like this:

    Ed Gillespe
    Republican National Committee

    "Reality" is the only word in the English language that should always be used in quotes.

    by LionelEHutz on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 12:17:15 PM PDT

  •  what the hell? (4.00)
    Woopie isn't even running for office.  She's a comedian.  She's been swearing for YEARS.  The GOP's only fussy because she's actually bashing Bush.  Hmm...who does this remind me of?  Howard Stern maybe?

    This is such a non-issue that it's ridiculous.

    •  Filthy Mouths vs. Filthy Money (none)
      They're only pissed that 7.5 million was raised.

      Just like the only time they got worked up about campaign fi. was when Clinton out raised 'em. And now, when Kerry's making a run.

      Just like the fact they only think billionairs are trying to buy elections when they're not Republicans.

  •  The sad thing is that the media will (none)
    still run with this and use this as an example of evil liberals. The GOP and their talking TV heads will say the media isn't angry enough about the "potty mouths" and that the media is biased. And all the praise and acceptance of Cheney's profanity will be forgotten. The media will go on and on with this and make sure that it helps Bush gain even more ground in polling.
    •  Nah. (none)
      I don't think anybody real is gonna run with this. The fundraiser itself is old news by now, and nobody real reads

      Besides, if they do, Jon Stewart will take care of it.

      The neo-cons themselves are genuinely evil, but the media are only compliant when it troubles them not. It's Friday. They need the time for their entertainment reporters to cover movie openings.

      •  speaking of Jon (none)
        Besides, if they do, Jon Stewart will take care of it.

        Anyone see The Daily Show last night?  Jon broke down Tom Ridge's terror announcement (aka STOP paying attention to Kerry-Edwards!) into small pieces...and then he stomped on it for being purely a distraction intent on helping Bush's political gain.  

        Oh Jon, if only you had a whole hour in which to dispense your astute observations!  

        I think this is the link to the segment, but I'm at work, and I can't watch it right now (no streaming media).  I'll be going home soon, so I can check it out there.

        "I have come to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the politicians."~Charles De Gaulle *CHEERS to blogs!*

        by spyral on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Agreed (none)
        All Mrs. Snarky saw on the Today Show was that Dave Matthews was at a Kerry fundraiser.  And since she likes Dave Matthews, all is well.
      •  CNN ran with it. (none)
        I just heard a story about this on CNN, and it was outrageous.

        The breathless reporter (I heard it on XM 122, so no name -- sorry) went on and on about how the GOP is so angry at the "hatefest" that went on . . . then they played some clips of the entertainers, who said REALLY AWFUL things like, "we need new leadership."

        The thing is, there was some stuff that went close to the line of good taste . . . but CNN dutifully parroted the GOP talking points, and equated "We need new leadership" with something Whoopi Goldberg said about Bush's last name and its relation to something that can't be put on TV. Because, you know, that makes a lot of sense.

        Now, of course, the GOP is calling on Kerry to "distance himself" from the comedians who DARED to poke fun at Bush, because they were so hateful and stuff.

        This would be a VERY good time for bloggers to dig up a few quotes from Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush, et al, and see just how committed the GOP is to stopping "hatefests."

  •  Kerry should issue a public apology (4.00)
    exactly like that. "I sincerely apologize for being in the presence of people who used words not at all unlike those Dick Cheney used on the Senate floor." It'd be classic. People would get it.
    •  Non-apology (4.00)
      He can say they "probably" cursed but now feel much better for having said the words.
    •  Respond vocally (4.00)
      I don't know about apologizing, but the Democratic side needs to respond vocally to this bullshit. They need to flood the airwaves with outrage that the GOP would suggest such a thing when their #2 man sullied the hallowed halls of the Senate (not true, but sounds good).

      Use the Republican Noise Machine tactics against them, elevate this to such a high level that the GOP look like fools for bringing it up. I think this is a good example of "working the refs," who are the SCLM in this case. It's not to knock this down, but to keep the GOP from being able to set the agenda now and in the future. Sometimes you can't let the little things go.

      Kerry/Edwards 2004: Undo the coup!

      by kherr on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:18:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The DNC has a great response today actually: (none)
        DNC'S CABRERA ON BUSH CAMP CHALLENGE TO RELEASE RADIO CITY TAPE: "We'd possibly consider it if they released every fundraiser they held with Ken Lay - or any tape showing Cheney cussing on the Senate floor," says DNC communications director Jano Cabrera. "Or Cheney's secret energy task force records?" " ... or Bush's full military records?" "Or any evidence that supports Cheney's claims that there's a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda that the 9/11 Commission may not have been privy to?"
      •  How about... (none)
        something along the lines of "I'll be happy to chastise Ms. Goldberg to the same extent that the GOP has chastised the Vice President for his outburst."
    •  Ackshully (none)
      On one of the evening news programs tonight, a Kerry spokesman did just that.

      It is good to trust people; but it is better not to.

      by choff on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 04:18:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I love how.... (none) links to a NYPost rant on the fundraiser.  Oh the irony...
  •  You want to know what's really funny? (4.00)
    I was in the audience, and I heard Whoopi.

    She said up front that she'd been asked to submit her material in advance, and her response was rather creative.

    But as for obscenities?  I'd have to say she only used one.


    •  Transcript (none)
      Of course I want a transcript of her comments now!  We know what Cheney said and where, but I guess when you speak the truth in front a an impressionable audience it is far, far worse than saying something similar to the venal company of the Senate.

      If you think Bush really is (he is!) the worst president ever, go to and spread the word.

      by Long Haul on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:34:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's true, sir. This man has no dick. (none)
    Our next ad...

    (guy in donkey suit reading prepared statement from script; Whoopi Goldberg seated next to him, looking like exasperated, unrepentant schoolgirl)

    G.I.D.S.: On behalf of John Kerry and the Democratic National Committee, we'd like to apologize to the following sensitive Republicans, who may have been offended by Ms' Goldberg's recent remarks:  George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, Adolph Coors, Prince Bandar, David Duke...

    (Goldberg blows spitball at Howard Stern)

    "...Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kenneth Lay, Ahmud Chalabi, Lynndie England, The fat naked guy from "Survivor", the Brit lady from "The Weakest Link"....

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: Halliburton is again profitable.

    by AdmiralNaismith on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:33:15 PM PDT

  •  Why not respond ourselves (none)
    The GOP site is all upset over Whoopi swearing, just like the White House got upset when Kerry said Bush "fucked up" in Iraq.  Well, let's all email Ed Gillespie and tell him to take Dick Cheney's advice and "go fuck himself".

    There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action. *J.W. von Goethe

    by MAJeff on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:35:55 PM PDT

  •  Missed opportunity (4.00)
    I still say folks seized on the wrong half of his name.  Replacing the f-bomb with "Dick" preserves the scansion and the flavor, and opens up whole worlds of possibilities.

    Like "Whadda you mean, the FCC is fining me for telling someone to 'go Dick himself'"?  Well, Dick Cheney too!  Dick Nixon while we're at it!

    Imagine, getting whole Republican crowds at the Veep's appearances to chant "Dick! Cheney!  Dick!  Cheney!"

    Ah, lost opportunities...

    Rubus Eradicandus Est.

    by Randomfactor on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:36:46 PM PDT

  •  The Irony (none)
    The laughable irony is that this thread sits right on top of Kos' own "obscenity-laden" thread.  It is to laugh!

    What do Kerry and Edwards have to do with Goldberg?  Unlike all the GOP hacks and toadies, they do not try to control the entertainment industry and actually recognize the difference, just like the separation of church and state.

    Hopefully Kerry and Edwards won't rise to the bait.  It is a trap.

    If you think Bush really is (he is!) the worst president ever, go to and spread the word.

    by Long Haul on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:40:44 PM PDT

  •  Over 100 Children Abused at Abu Ghraib (3.50)
    Three days ago, a German TV newsmagazine called Report Mainz broadcast an eight-minute segment reporting that the International Red Cross found at least 107 children in coaliton-administered detention centers in Iraq. Unbelievable...

    Locate the article here

    "W" stands for Wrong on Civil Liberties...

    by SeaLib on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:40:59 PM PDT

    •  this is so (none)
      ... words fail ...

      our media sucks. Murrow is rolling in his grave. If he was alive, he would gather all of the perfectly coifed talking heads together in one room and ask:

      "Have you no shame?"

      The world is on its elbows and knees, It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds. Armageddon days are here again Matt Johnson

      by Madman in the marketplace on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 08:25:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Linking to the fucking Post (none)
    is damn funny.  And I think it's a fucking riot that our somber Republican brethren are more upset that Whoopi Goldberg is foul-mouthed than that the Reverend Fucking Moon was consecrated on government property (loved the costumes, though!).  Of course, once Cheney cursed Leahy in the Senate I should have realized any decorum in our motherfucking public life is just waaaaaaay too much to ask for.
  •  Heavens to Betsy (none)
    Are we still using the excuse of "Well, sure, but the GOP is 10% worse!" ?

    And we wonder why people protest vote.

    •  no, I don't think we are (none)
      saying that somebody is a hypocrite doesn't mean you're using that to excuse what you're doing.

      For instance-- I'm gay.  Some people think that's a sin.  If somebody said: "hey, you're gay, and you should die for it," then went of to engage in sexual acts with a partner of the same sex, I would point that out.  My pointing it out wouldn't be to justify my actions, rather it would be to show that what they originally said obviously has no relation to how they act-- therefore, they=bad.

      •  So, you're totally OK with Cheney's foul mouth? (none)
        You didn't join in the ballyhoo when that story broke, did you?
        •  actually, no, I didn't (none)
          I still think what he did was wrong though-- but they're two incomparable acts.  

          Cursing is wrong when you're in government and talking to another person in government, a la what Cheney did.  

          Cursing at a comedy show is fine-- that's what cursing and comedy is all about.

          My point is, that's not justifying what the Dems did in relation to what the Reps did (they're 10% worse), rather, it's a statement of where you think cursing is acceptable or not.  

  •  Cheney Faces Criminal Indictments (none)
    Has anyone seen this piece from Capitol Hill Blue?

    "Vice President Dick Cheney faces criminal indictments for illegal activities while CEO of energy giant Halliburton and also illegally intervened to secure a $7 billion no-bid contract for his former employer after his election to office, an analysis by the White House counsel's office concludes.

    The Vice President is currently under investigation by French authorities for bribery, money laundering and misuse of corporate assets while at Halliburton and also faces a U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission probe of a $180 million "slush fund" that may have been used to pay bribes."


  •  Kinda OT (none)
    but if you scroll down to the bottom of the linked page at in the bottom left corner is a graphic for donating to the GOP. The graphic is a photo of The Boy King with the most insipid expression on his face - lips slightly pursed, in front of a microphone, eyes tilted up and to his left. I imagine this is him looking stern or resolved. But really... he just looks like a kid who got caught with his hand inside the cookie jar.

    I don't know why it bugged me so much - just the fact that this idiot is my preznit, I guess.

    Anyway, back to the GOP hypocrisy fest!

    Mmmmm... sacrilegious donuts...

    by jpb on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 01:56:45 PM PDT

  •  Pretzel logic (none)
    The GOP is trying to hold John Kerry responsible for what an entertainer said at one of his fundraisers. Meanwhile, the nation's #1 Republican, Geroge W. Bush, tried to slough off responsibility for the "Mission Accomplished" banner at his USS Abraham Lincoln publicity stunt.

    As the late Richard J. Daley once said, "That is unreasonable reasoning."

    In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 02:00:39 PM PDT

  •  One of the WORST scenes in FLA (none)
    was Al Gore's election eve posing with DeNiro, etc. That is NOT a way to connect w/regular people.

    No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky gonna mother hubbard soft soap me, with just a pocket full of hope. Money for dope...Money for rope... --Jo

    by jgkojak on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 02:06:18 PM PDT

    •  most people consider movie stars to be (none)
      "one of us," don't they?  I think 'Murkins on the whole see movie stars to be more average people, while polititians are the elite who haven't experienced "real life" since they were elected.  That's how I see it, any way.  

      After all, we've been inviting Ben Affleck and Whoopi Goldberg into our living rooms for years, while John Kerry and George Bush have to pay for such access.  We view actors as our friends (we consider whether their relationships will be good for them), while polititians are a necessary evil.  

    •  did somebody say deniro? (none)
  •  Thanks Dick (4.00)
    As a respectable 40ish soccer mom I've been trying to purge my speech of the f-word.  Cheney has been a huge help.  Now when some wingnut irritates me (I live in wingnut country) I simply give them the look and say... "in the immortal words of our Vice-President Dick Cheney..."

    Nothing more need be said.

    If you want something other than the obvious to happen, you've got to do something other than the obvious...

    by trillian on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 02:27:36 PM PDT

  •  The GOP Wants to Pay you though (none)
    GOP Wants YOU for 30%!

    Yes, the Republican National Commission will offer you 30% of every campaign donation through an affiliate program just launched at Commission Junction. You have to be a current CJ affiliate or partner to apply, but we heard one EmailSherpa reader was approved "instantly" which indicates the RNC isn't exactly triple checking your email practices before oking you.

    The RNC doesn't allow affiliates to use search marketing to bring in donations. Guess they are scared of arbitrage. No similar restrictions on using email, though. Which makes us wonder, is the RNC aware of how much potential spam they're encouraging?

    Category: Business-To-Business
    URL (for CJ members/partners):

    Description: You can help build a better tomorrow for America by supporting the Republican National Committee! You can be a part of the team working with President Bush and a Republican Congress to fully enact our compassionate conservative agenda. We need your help to continue the
    advancement of the bold, responsible Bush/Republican agenda for a better tomorrow for every American. We cannot do it without the help of concerned citizens like you. We must give President Bush the support he needs to keep
    our country moving forward in a positive direction. Only you can help provide the resources needed to re-elect a Republican president and Congress. Your support is urgently needed. This program is to acquire online donations. You will receive 30% of each donation (capped at $300). Please note that search marketing is NOT allowed. Affiliates will NOT be paid for donations generated through search engine marketing.

    UPDATE: Reader Shawn Collins who is the affiliate manager for and does his own (rather nice) insider affiliate marketing blog at, just emailed in this note:

    "I noticed last night that they were on automatic approval last night, and wrote to them to urge that they switch to manual approval to protect the RNC brand, and to thwart pranksters (as least put a hurdle in front of them).

    I received a response from Ingalisa Wegert, an account manager for PM Digital (, the online agency for the RNC. They have changed to manual approval for the affiliate applications."

    Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. -- Chief Seattle

    by jillian on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 02:38:29 PM PDT

    •  Wow (none)
      Splitting political donations with bundlers can't possibly be legal can it?

      If it is, it shouldn't be.

      I don't know... paying someone to pimp campaign donations is, to me, like paying someone to vote a certain way.  It just doesn't seem very kosher.

      Bush Business Plan: 1) Steal the Presidency, 2) ???, 3) PROFIT!

      by emjaycue on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 07:02:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  If you can't (none)
    stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
    Boy these wingnuts sure can dish it out, but cry like little babies when anything is directed at them.
    Try to look down boys and see if there is still a sack where its supposed to be, no, well maybe thats why you are a bunch of whiners and cry like the cowards when things get rough.
    A little military experience may have toughened you little boys up a little, but of course thats something the chickenhawk GOP doesn't want any part of, as usual.
    When the toughest wingnut around is Ann Coulter, what does that say about the boys that represent the GOP, not much.
    Suck it up GOP boys, you will find someone you can gang up on and feel masculine again, one on one you aren't very impressive, but many chickenhawks against one individual you sure are brave in that situation.
    Finally, as your respected VP would say, go Cheney yourselves wingnuts, you may be the only ones that will.
    I forgot, there is Ann Coulter, so don't lose faith just yet.
    PS-You may not be tough enough for her.
  •  RNC = twisted hypocrites (4.00)
    I've been doing a little research for a project I'm working on and found this:

    The Entartete Kunst (Degenerate Art) exhibition was staged in 1937 as a foil to the Grosse Deutsche Kunstausstellung (The Great German art exhibition).  Painting and sculpture that supposedly reflected life in the Weimar Republic (1919-33) were displayed as concrete evidence that the Nazis had saved German society from Weimar's onslaught upon all the moral values people held dear:  Marriage, the family, chastity, and a steady, harmonious life.  Weimar culture was "Bolshevist" culture, manipulated by the Jews, as the guide to the exhibition and the inscriptions on the gallery walls stated repeatedly.  The destruction of respectability and the destruction of society and the nation were linked.

    --George L. Mosse
    Beauty without Sensuality

    The Degenerate Art exhibition was comprised of modern art confiscated by the Nazi's from museums and galleries around Germany.  The works of folks like Paul Klee, Marc Chagall and Max Beckman, just to mention a few, were included and considered "degenerate" by the very folks that brought you the Holocaust.  Fascism brings with it twisted thinking. Not that I'm comparing BushCo and the RNC to the Third Reich.  Heaven forbid!  I would never so such a thing!  ; )

    The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation. --Jonathan Larson

    by pacifica on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 03:54:58 PM PDT

  •  Come on now (1.50)
    There's a huge difference between dropping an f-bomb in the heat of the moment, and an 'obscenity laden tirade', followed by praise from Kerry. I doubt whoopi's remarks were that bad, but who knows. Cheney's "go fuck yourself" hardly nullifies this.  Let's not compare an apple to an apple tree here.
    •  TROLL! (none)
      I detect major league trollage here.  You didn't find Dems claiming to take offense at the big F*ck You...even the man it was directed toward basically gave Cheney a pass.  What we are hot about is the duplicitousness of having such a potty mouth and caliming to return "civility" to the national discourse.

      "That government of, by, and for the people shall not perish from the Earth."

      by TheGryphon on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 04:40:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hey! We're still fighting the terrorists! (none)
    Watch what you *ing say, watch what you ***ing do.

    It was your anti-American comments that pushed me to the profanity.

    Nice example of unusually Cheneyed up GOP hypocrisy there.

  •  What is Chris Matthews' problem? (none)
    He just had a segment about this on Hardball with Katrina Vanden Heuvel from the Nation and that skank Deborah Orin from the New York Post. Orin stuck to the GOP line to release the video and that these people crossed the line because no one should talk this way about the President. Then she had the nerve to bring up a campaign stop during 1996 when a father who hated Clinton brought his kid to see the Big Dog. The slimey bitch seemed to forget the accussations that Clinton killed Vince Foster and trafficked in cocaine. Katrina made the great point that the Dems would be happy to release the tape if Cheney would release the transcript from the energy commission meetings, which truly effect people's lives.

    Matthews in the end came out and said he sided with Orin. What the fuck? Why can we have a sense of humor about Cheney violating Senate decorum with the f-bomb and private citizens voicing their disgust with their leader are in the wrong? What has crawled up Matthew's ass?

    Unmarried to the Mob Mentality

    by John Campanelli on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 04:55:39 PM PDT

  •  Matthews (none)
    Does it surprise anyone that Tweety is a GOP butt sniffer? I think that I have to put a parental lock on MSNBC and then throw the code out. I think when anyone asks a Dem about the fund raiser I would respond with - we will release any tape you want as soon as Mr. Bush releases all his ANG records. Until then, take Mr. Cheneys suggestion.
  •  All this hub-bub is just political noise... (none)
    to distract people from the real issues at hand.  Bush's religous/moral base will be duly outraged, our side will carp about cheney using the f-bomb, and swing voters won't give a damn.  And if you want to get real nit-pickety, I remember reading an interview with John Kerry during the primary season, where he also said that things were 'fucked up.'  Anybody remember the Anderson Cooper 360 during which Cooper said 'fuck' about 30 times in 20 seconds?  (It was duly bleeped out, but still quite edgy for CNN.)  
  •  Scarborough is (none)
    SHOCKED!  Shocked!  SHOCKED!

    About the "raunchy" language from the Radio City Music Hall thing

    "It doesn't sound like Middle America"



    Jeebus H. Simpson.

    And, is it coincidental that they then play Bush saying "Kerry is out of step with the heart and soul of America".  Gee sounds just like what Scarborough said earlier.

    Jeebus H. Simpson.

    MSNBC is essentially running a Bush campaign ad right now.  Meanwhile Scarborough is patting himself on the back for taking the high ground.

    Yeah, tell that to your secretary, Joe.

    Bush Business Plan: 1) Steal the Presidency, 2) ???, 3) PROFIT!

    by emjaycue on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 07:08:11 PM PDT

  •  IMO Kerry doesn't need to respond to this (none)
    It makes the GOP look out of touch, unreasonable, and far too negative...

    The only people outraged are people who aren't going to even CONSIDER Kerry anyways...

    He can shrug this off, or call the GOP out on their hypocrisy if he feels he really needs to (read: if the media actually runs with this)

    "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

    by alxt on Fri Jul 09, 2004 at 11:00:52 PM PDT

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